Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two • Hacker News Board

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by buckbova » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:46 PM UTC

oddevan wrote: post #48

buckbova wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, talk about an over the top reaction. I'd probably reject this too from a do-gooder searching github for pronouns to change. "Get another hobby. Rejected."

Out of curiosity, what's the harm in accepting the pull request after someone's already done the work ? Edit: I get not wanting unsolicited input from "do-gooders," but if someone on the project made such a change, would you still reject it?

If I were in this position, I would accept it from a frequent contributor to the project.

I don't like the idea of someone poking around to make one-word non-functional changes.

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by tootie » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:47 PM UTC

SloopJon wrote: post #34

wcummings wrote: post #3

Ben Noordhuis, the center of the Node.js pronoun scandal [1] and one of the founders of Strongloop, has activity in IO.js more recent than his activity in Node.js. I can't help but wonder how much of this is a power struggle between Strongloop and Joyent. https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

Off topic, I guess, but color me unimpressed by the guy claiming he would fire someone for rejecting a pull request that does nothing but advance a political agenda.

He didn't just reject it, he tried to undo it after it was accepted by someone else.

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by esalman » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:48 PM UTC

ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #36

I think it's great news. Node development has been glacial for a while now. There's an issue where people are sharing logos, https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/37 , highly recommend.

Better visualization: http://tableflip.io:1234/

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by jamon51 » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:50 PM UTC

oddevan wrote: post #48

buckbova wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, talk about an over the top reaction. I'd probably reject this too from a do-gooder searching github for pronouns to change. "Get another hobby. Rejected."

Out of curiosity, what's the harm in accepting the pull request after someone's already done the work ? Edit: I get not wanting unsolicited input from "do-gooders," but if someone on the project made such a change, would you still reject it?

@buckbova, what's wrong with one-word changes? I run a semi-popular OS project and accept them all the time. It makes the newbs feel good and encourages them to explore further into the source code.

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by rdtsc » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:51 PM UTC

Dobbs wrote: post #20

Thaxll wrote: post #5

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But it's true that Node is losing traction.

I can only speak from the perspective of my company. We had quite a few pro-node people. They wrote services in node. All of those node services have since been rewritten in Go by the formerly-pro-node people. Go has been much more manageable and powerful.

Just wait 5 years they'll be re-written in Swift, Dart, Rust (other shiny new thing). The important thing is, it will probably be the same people doing it ;-)

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by smackfu » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:51 PM UTC

egeozcan wrote: post #4

> Future of Popular Coding Tool in Doubt After It Splits in Two Are there convincing number of examples of very popular projects being forked and both ends being discontinued, or is this just a typical example of spreading FUD? Forking is a natural process in the open-source world.

A better headline would be:

Future of Popular Coding Tool Unclear After It Splits in Two

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by ocfx » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:52 PM UTC

artursapek wrote: post #49

bhouston wrote: post #8

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Node is losing traction where? I see it as being very strong, but it isn't the shiny new thing any more -- which means that it is beyond the first few stages of the hype cycle. It has very strong growth in Google trends: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=node.js

I think Google trends is a very laggy indicator of something like this.

Agreed

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by emgeee » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:53 PM UTC

54mf wrote: post #46

andrewstuart2 wrote: post #41

Well now there's a missing consonant in the MEAI stack. Add golang for the IMAGE stack?

AIME? ;)

Oh I like that- drop the 'E' for express since it's a little redundant and you get "AIM"

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:54 PM UTC

debacle wrote: post #37

zkhalique wrote: post #15

I think the intersection of politics and internet is interesting. I write about it quite a bit on my blog, as well as here: http://qbix.com/blog/index.php/2013/04/a-new-kind-of-platfor... In this case, we see sort of an "arab spring" of open source projects lately. Consider MySQL after it was bought by Oracle, and then the MariaDB fork was born. Now we have Node.js and Docker being forked. Until now, most successful…

This is more about how, for many companies, the OSS doctrine that they espouse doesn't really jive with their need for profitability. In the long run, they need to make decisions for the company that are not in the best interest of the project, and either the project dies or is forked or abandoned. Sun did really well by the OSS community for a very long time, but they had nothing to show for it and Oracle has since…

> I honestly think we're going to see a Firefox fork in the next 2-3 years.

There are already semi-forks (downstream distributions that continue to pull from upstream and are mostly synced, but also maintain distinct and divergent feature sets) -- both GNU IceCat is an example (Debian Iceweasel I think is less so, because IIRC it is synced but for branding with upstream.)

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by wtbob » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 4:54 PM UTC

dudus wrote: post #6

egeozcan wrote: post #4

> Future of Popular Coding Tool in Doubt After It Splits in Two Are there convincing number of examples of very popular projects being forked and both ends being discontinued, or is this just a typical example of spreading FUD? Forking is a natural process in the open-source world.

I can think of MySQL. While I wouldn't call it dead by any measure it certainly suffered when the spit happened.

Yeah, but how much of that was due to forking and how much of that was folks realising that PostgreSQL is much better than MySQL for most metrics of better?