Is this really needed? I feel like Mozilla are inventing problems to solve.
The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming
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#52Sounds cool. Shame that Mozilla's developer tools are in some respects that are important to me still inferior to Chrome.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why a different browser and not just an extension? I feel like different browsers leads to different versions of engines, languages etc. aka a lot of headaches. As a web developer, I want to see what my users see, not what "developers" see..
Well that's how developer tools for Firefox started out as (Firebug), however that was also dependent on a plugin API that gave access to all of those things; by building it in natively, the dev tools have access to all of the APIs, not just the ones exposed by the plugin APIs.
That is not really very relevant when building a Firefox add-on. Firefox add-ons get incredible access privileges to the browser internals. That is part of what makes it hard, but also powerful.
An example of what I mean, it was not overly complex for Sunbird (the calender app) to be turned into a add-on. There is no reason also for example that Thunderbird could not be turned into an add-on for Firefox. Except then you would have SeaMonkey...
But my 2c, is that even if the project does not work out as hoped, what ever they are doing can put turned into ad add-on.
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#54I think this is a logical development. Firefox gets more and more Developer tools by default, but most users will never touch them. So it sounds logical to exclude Developer tools from the default package and instead offer an Developer version of Firefox. Firefox is my default browser for a long time (switched briefly to Opera, but when they came with the new Chromium-version I switched back because I didn't like it)…
Why a different browser and not just an extension? I feel like different browsers leads to different versions of engines, languages etc. aka a lot of headaches. As a web developer, I want to see what my users see, not what "developers" see..
Actually, this version of Firefox activates a number of web features that are not activated in the release version, to let webdevs test against features that are either not 100% stable or not fully standardized yet.
But other than that, it's basically Firefox.
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#55I would like a strict mode in js and rendering engine, which shows syntax error like a compiler instead of eating them and failing later at random places. Ffat fingers and typos take disproportionate time while development.
That sounds like a good idea for a dev version. Do you want to file a bug?
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#56I'm getting a bit weary of announcements that don't really announce whatever it is that they're announcing.
It's easier to wait until a de-hyped Wikipedia entry has been written, and just read that instead.
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#57Of course, if this dedicated browser happened to be based on Servo then this teasing would largely be worth the wait ;)
Waiting 7 days for Servo?
Sign me up :)
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hardly grandstanding when it's the standard everyone agreed on. I agree that IndexedDB is awful and WebSQL was much better, but go shout at the W3C, not Mozilla.
It was Mozilla's insistence on IndexedDB that tipped the balance. WebSQL was already well supported in Chrome and Safari and if Mozilla hadn't inexplicably come down on Microsoft's side we would have a reasonable client-side database solution today. Lest this particular piece of villainy be forgotten: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/06/beyond-html5-database-apis...
Unfortunately, WebSQL had simply _no_ specifications. That's not good for a standard, and that's why IndexedDB won in the end.
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#59Sounds cool. Shame that Mozilla's developer tools are in some respects that are important to me still inferior to Chrome.
How so?
I'm asking because two Firefox devtools people sit in my office, so if you have feedback, I can forward it.
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#60This is like one of those startup websites/videos that tells you absolutely nothing about what they are doing.
Mozilla has been developing a web browser that will make web development easier for web developers. They are going to be sharing it with world on November 10. Not a lot of info, but I'm excited.