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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by tachion »

brador wrote: post #30
ubernostrum wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (Django) already threatened that a while back. They still insist they will not remove projects or stop collecting donations on behalf of non-consenting projects. All they did was manually disable some of the spam coming toward our committers.

Assuming you had the muscle, what's the worst a dev could theoretically hit them with? Could they be succesfully sued? DMCA?

You do realise that there is life and even entire civilizations outside of the USA, where DMCA holds no jurisdiction and the entire idea of suing becomes much more complicated? Especially when it seems from the GitHub discussion thread the tip4commit founder lives in a place where there is no regulations regarding what is a spam and what is not. ;)

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by waterlesscloud »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #50
waterlesscloud wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I can partially agree with that take on what they're saying. Though it seems more like they're saying "We have no resources but were able to this because it uses Bitcoin" than "We're immune to laws because we're using Bitcoin". Although this situation points out that there is a fundamental conflict with Bitcoin and the established systems that's going to require an adjustment period. While it's certainly true th…

There's no fundamental conflict. Due to the existence of hard cash, I can set up a stall on the street selling stuff. However the tax and licensing folk might still want to talk to me, so just because I have only spent a weekend making a market barrow with a nice tarp, doesn't mean I shouldn't check out the legal ramifications before heading into town with my wares. edit - Also, if they are actually someone else's wa…

You're responding to something other than what I'm talking about.

Of course the laws still apply, but the enforcement mechanisms (which have thus far been administered via institutions) can now be circumvented to a certain extent.

It is a fundamental conflict and adjustment will be required.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by shangxiao »

I wanted to tell these guys that they remind me of the infuriating Comcast guy who refused to disconnect the customer's account, until I saw that somebody else felt the same way and had already told them.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#54

Post by macspoofing »

ubernostrum wrote: post #9
josu wrote: post #4

Could somebody please provide some context?

tip4commit is one of a number of services which, without asking for permission or notifying you, opt your projects into a BitCoin-based crowdfunding system. Even if your project doesn't want it, even if your project has its own donation/support system you'd like to send people to. Historically they spammed committers of force-opted-in repositories with an email on every commit to tell them what their new BTC donation…

Wow, that was infuriating to read. They don't get it, they don't want to get it and they aren't listening.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by pistle »

You know what really helps open source developers? Annoying them until they say f-it. Not only is os its own sort of challenge, but then you get a ghetto bitcoin angle going on it... and these tips sort of amount to shit. Big contributors (likely alternatively funded well beyond the tips) don't see much and small contributors get fuck all. And that unclaimed currency goes back to the "project?" Stop.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by nakovet »

Maybe it's time for a LICENSE addendum? "Unless the services stated here, no money should be collect in the project behalf. "?

I know it's not a good solution, but it's a solution, where you can file license violations wherever they host this project.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by lotsofmangos »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #52
lotsofmangos wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no fundamental conflict. Due to the existence of hard cash, I can set up a stall on the street selling stuff. However the tax and licensing folk might still want to talk to me, so just because I have only spent a weekend making a market barrow with a nice tarp, doesn't mean I shouldn't check out the legal ramifications before heading into town with my wares. edit - Also, if they are actually someone else's wa…

You're responding to something other than what I'm talking about. Of course the laws still apply, but the enforcement mechanisms (which have thus far been administered via institutions) can now be circumvented to a certain extent. It is a fundamental conflict and adjustment will be required.

I was trying to address directly that point. Pre-bitcoin, you could avoid the enforcement mechanisms with hard cash and a barrow. There was a long running British sitcom called "Only Fools and Horses" that dealt with this quite thoroughly.

edit - If fleshed out a bit, the premise behind this project might actually make quite a good 21st century sequel episode. Del Boy would love bitcoin.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by hack_edu »

randallsquared wrote: post #45
ubernostrum wrote: post #5

I do not normally rant, but tip4commit and its ilk are some of the most infuriating people in the world to deal with, since they're opting other people's projects into something that has all sorts of legal/taxation consequences and think that "we have no way to remove you once you get opted in" is an acceptable answer. I'd push complaints further up to GitHub, since I'm sure something in the way this works violates t…

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came. The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

People have legitimate reasons to avoid messing with BTC or others. Some people don't even want to hassle with currencies beyond their own.

Even if they oblige in accepting BTC and just convert it to their preferred currency, they'd be forced to go through the process of signing up and verifying with some sort of exchange. What if they don't want to do business with those institutions, or share their financial details to yet another third-party? Cryptocurrencies will succeed, thankfully, but some people don't want to put their toes in those legal waters yet. They will also have to spend more time administering to local laws and taxes regarding donations, which eats away the time they have for other much more fun things.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by coldtea »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #31
waterlesscloud wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to where they believe they are immune to the rules because they're using Bitcoin? To me it just looks like a badly implemented concept that happens to use Bitcoin. I'm not seeing any Bitcoin exceptionalism here.

The Bitcoin exceptionalism is clear in this bit: ---- arsenische - Do I need to learn all the laws of all the countries before publishing anything online or may I just use the common sense and conscience please? mitsuhiko - To be honest: when it comes to handling money I would assume so. If this website would be dealing with a real world currency you would have a bunch of problems on yourself at this point. Most peop…

Sounds like they have a variety of the BS "Freemen on the land" concept ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land ).
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