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Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

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Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#51
When trying to get through what appears to be a brick wall of myopia, the liberal use of the block feature is more productive.

Seriously, I don't even try to have arguments anymore. A sane and relatively productive one is nearly impossible with some people. I don't know if it's the brevity of speech or the even shorter attention span, but the Online Disinhibition Effect seems to be an order of magnitude greater when it comes to certain topics.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#52
post #6

There are conversations that work on twitter, and ones that don't. In general, twitter conversations are quick back-and-forth affairs. If you need more than 2 tweets to express your thought, you're either using the wrong medium or thinking too far. If that conversation model doesn't fit you, that's perfectly fine, but that's not the fault of twitter. It's just a bad match-up. In that case, it's perfectly fine to resp…

Conversations on Twitter? I use Twitter as read-only for information to see what certain people and groups are up to in near real-time.

There's more than one way to Twitter. If you know some people on it personally, you're more likely to engage in conversations.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#53
post #10

When I want to write something over multiple tweets, I use a simple syntax to make it clear that each individual tweet is meant to be read in context with the others: I simply suffix all tweets except the last one with ">" and prefix all tweets except the first one with " Additionally, I make sure each tweet is a reply to its predecessor. Here's an example: https://twitter.com/epaga/status/510316379833393152

It's not often I write long, connected replies, but I prefer the (1/4) method after writing the whole thing out in notepad or something.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#54
post #29
post #21

I don't think this is due to the limit of 140 characters (even if it doesn't help) but much more due to the audience of fanboys and crow cheered during a fight. There is the same problem on Google+ where there is not 140 characters limit. Any discussions with Linus or any other "celebrity" in it and the comments thread will be full of : "+1", "M. Linus you are so smart, you are my hero", "Well said, ripe him a new on…

I agree that this is not a problem that only affects Twitter. Most of the current discussion platforms are way behind what was standard in Usenet or in your average Usenet client. No threaded discussions, no filtering (not for the one who comments and doesn't want to read those +1 post and most often also not for the OP), not even blocking of people you don't want to read.

Hell yes. I don't know how we got there.

Mailing lists can be ok with proper client but it's a step back. I found some subreddits useful (with RES) but even then it's hard to track new replies in threads that you are interested in.

HN has quality discussions but these are just about some links and it's hard to get back to some thread to see new replies (and preferably prioritize those from people who I value).

I too miss Usenet.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#55
post #6

There are conversations that work on twitter, and ones that don't. In general, twitter conversations are quick back-and-forth affairs. If you need more than 2 tweets to express your thought, you're either using the wrong medium or thinking too far. If that conversation model doesn't fit you, that's perfectly fine, but that's not the fault of twitter. It's just a bad match-up. In that case, it's perfectly fine to resp…

Conversations on Twitter? I use Twitter as read-only for information to see what certain people and groups are up to in near real-time.

God, I know. I keep hearing about conversations and such on twitter, while I have a hard time fitting a single thought into a tweet, much less a thoughtful response to someone's query.

Look! Even that sentence was longer than a tweet! I don't know how people do it.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#57
If you can't have a conversation on Twitter you may be doing something wrong. Thanks to the peers on the network we've found all sorts of interesting things.

Things like the location of rockets associated with sarin attacks in Syria[0] placed squarely on Mezzeh military airbase in Damascus. The rockets at the time were thought to be Iranian Falaq but more evidence showed them to be part of their own distinct program.

The discussion did not stay entirely on Twitter but was the main venue for it. Without being able to rope millions of random peers you may not know you will converse with later into one IRC channel, Twitter works for wide broadcast fast paced discussion.

Blocking people helps sure, but I think many people's problem seems to be a perceived lack of interesting peers.

[0] http://wikimapia.org/29357078/Falaq-2-Launch-Site

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#58
post #3

Yep. Incidentally this is the exact same reason why I can't have conversations by shouting out the window of my car as I speed past people on the street.

I wonder how you can successfully advertise to such people. The only tweet they read is probably their own.

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#59

If you can't have a conversation on Twitter you may be doing something wrong. Thanks to the peers on the network we've found all sorts of interesting things. Things like the location of rockets associated with sarin attacks in Syria[0] placed squarely on Mezzeh military airbase in Damascus. The rockets at the time were thought to be Iranian Falaq but more evidence showed them to be part of their own distinct program.…

Sure sounds like you're blaming antirez for people on Twitter taking his tweet out of context and running with it. It's also completely unfair to say "Twitter was awesome in this very explicit situation so you obviously did something wrong in your situation".

Re: Why I can't have conversations using Twitter

#60
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversations on Twitter? I use Twitter as read-only for information to see what certain people and groups are up to in near real-time.

God, I know. I keep hearing about conversations and such on twitter, while I have a hard time fitting a single thought into a tweet, much less a thoughtful response to someone's query. Look! Even that sentence was longer than a tweet! I don't know how people do it.

Terseness is a learned skill. Verbosity is too. They're not mutually exclusive, you can apply them where they work. And they're both useful.

(That's exactly 140 characters for you :) )

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