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Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by ninv »

rational-future wrote: post #47
ninv wrote: post #30

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So i was working on a small decision support system for a hospital. Some designer recommended their chart control and i used it in project. In final stage, client asked for empty values support, i check and found that in next release they have this feature. So i said yes and gave them 1 week estimate. Assuming all i have to do is replace radchart dll. But, I was wrong. I upgraded the Radchart and found 70% code is no…

You just need to be more agile.

Agile doesn't mean redoing the whole app everytime third party vendor releases the minor version.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by andwaal »

pc86 wrote: post #48
andwaal wrote: post #18

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I have to strongly disagree. I have used their Sliverlight components in every SL project I have been involved with for the last four years and I could`t live without them. They are professional components for enterprise which does something that a open-source project could seldom( maybe never) do, support all the odd-cases needed. These are all the weird cases that no one would bother to implement in an OS-project,…

What is the benefit of using KendoUI over any of the free JS options available? Edge cases again?

Lets do an example. In many of the enterprise applications I work on large datagrids are used. I did a loot of research in order to find the best open alternative, from what I found this seems to be http://datatables.net/ . It seems like a great product with a lots of features, plugins and ways to tweak it. But still KendoUI`s got features like proper grouping, binding to remote data(filtering, sorting, grouping etc), advanced filtering, fast customisation of headers/rows/cells, proper select/multi-select and so on. Im aware that you could probably do all these things with Datatables, but still you would have to find the appropriate plugins, browse through bad documentations and properly end up implementing half of the missing features your self. Of course this could be done, but with KendoUI you got it all out of the box, with proper documentation. And if you don`t figure it out, you got professional support with fast response(great for junior dev). Yes KendoUi got a steep licence cost, but it don`t take long to realize that it`s worth it. I could to exactly the same example for the TreeView component(and to some degree the Data Visualization package, though the open alternatives seems much more competitive, if not better, here).

So to answer your question, from my experience using KendoUI reduces the time needed for the average developer to complete the task.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by andwaal »

sedachv wrote: post #44
andwaal wrote: post #18

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I have to strongly disagree. I have used their Sliverlight components in every SL project I have been involved with for the last four years and I could`t live without them. They are professional components for enterprise which does something that a open-source project could seldom( maybe never) do, support all the odd-cases needed. These are all the weird cases that no one would bother to implement in an OS-project,…

Thanks for the "OS" rant. You should use the proper term, Free Software, next time: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point....

Your absolutely right. Free Software was the term is was referring to. And if it came out as a rant that was not my purpose at all, but to share a positive experience about Telerik`s products.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by andwaal »

ninv wrote: post #26
andwaal wrote: post #18

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I have to strongly disagree. I have used their Sliverlight components in every SL project I have been involved with for the last four years and I could`t live without them. They are professional components for enterprise which does something that a open-source project could seldom( maybe never) do, support all the odd-cases needed. These are all the weird cases that no one would bother to implement in an OS-project,…

Try Infragistics, you will never look back.

Could you give me some examples of why you switched to Infragistics and never looked back. And also some info on which platforms you have used it on?

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by junto »

crescentfresh wrote: post #27
swalsh wrote: post #7

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We're using the kendo ui mvvm, It seems like they forked knockout js, and just did their own thing. It's kind of awful. I kind of wish I had fought harder to use Angular js.

Kendo is indeed a "fork" of many things. Knockout, Backbone, underscore templates with different delimiters, bootstrap, many existing ui widgets (chosen comes to mind). About the only thing they didn't fork was jQuery itself. But at least you get all of the above in a single product. I guess that's a bonus? I have personally fought to work around their widgets more times than I've worked with them. And have dropped i…

We are still using the original ASP.NET MVC extensions that they released as open source before they went on to develop Kendo.

I've used a fair few .NET controls from various vendors and they all are challenging in different ways. The common problem is that they force you to do things in a particular way.

If I was to rebuild our product it would not be using any of this heavy backend style server controls.

It is history as far as I can see. JavaScript front-end frameworks and REST services even with .NET is where Microsoft seem to be headed as well.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by hokkos »

ninv wrote: post #6

Telerik makes awful .Net components. I have used them in past. I was frustrated with their breaking changes, they had the worst release management. Every year they used to release new version and used to outright removed the methods or replace the signatures. No Deprecation!

I don't really agree, I've used their web stuff with kendo ui and WPF stuff, they do lack a good documentation, and had things breaking with a minor release or half done things they shouldn't have released, but they have lot of solid controls that save weeks or months of work.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by x1024 »

rational-future wrote: post #49
x1024 wrote: post #33

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Every large number sounds impressive, don't get yourself caught in that mind-trap. Divide the number by their employees, check earnings/winnings, subtract investments, compare to other companies and draw your conclusions again. If I make $1000000/year, that's great. But if it takes me 1000 people to do it, that's less than $100 per person per month.

It was bootstrapped, from what I know the original 4 founders used to own 80% of the company a year or so ago.

What you know is false, sorry.

Re: Progress Software to Acquire Telerik for $263M

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Post by llcoolv »

x1024 wrote: post #33
gchokov wrote: post #31

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And how exactly is 263M for 10 years "going downhill"?

Every large number sounds impressive, don't get yourself caught in that mind-trap. Divide the number by their employees, check earnings/winnings, subtract investments, compare to other companies and draw your conclusions again. If I make $1000000/year, that's great. But if it takes me 1000 people to do it, that's less than $100 per person per month.

And what if they started with 4 and ended up with a 1000?
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