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The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by anigbrowl »

KC8ZKF wrote: post #49
anigbrowl wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, the phrase originates from the difficulty and danger of carrying out certain adjustments on a sailing ship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_the_Devil_and_the_Deep_... - it's not about having the Devil to pay, but what you risk if you don't get the job of adjusting your 'sails' done.

Those certain adjustments are "paying the devil." The "devil" being the gap between the main deck and the hull; "paying" being filling with pitch. When you are doing that, you are hanging over the side, "between the devil and the deep blue sea." When you are between the devil and the deep blue sea, paying the devil, the sails are down. Adjusting sails has nothing to do with it.

ah, I see. +1!

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by ciupicri »

skolor wrote: post #4

I'm glad to see that the artist who performed this isn't just talking about it, he's actually doing what he says. I poked around a little ways, got to his MySpace page, and found this: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&... , where he not only provides the link to buy his newest album, but he also provides a link to download it too ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HMMBYOTZ ). As a side note, I don'…

Regarding the trend: I think they're trying to kill two birds with one stone: they don't have to pay a web designer and they're part of a social networking. The last one helps them promote their music and keep in touch with their fans.

Btw, some MySpace pages look good enough/decent, at least when compared to full blown sites which don't offer too much info and are also implemented 100% in Flash.

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by blueben »

cubedice wrote: post #39
tdavis wrote: post #36

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The Internet has been indispensable in my quest to find up-and-coming artists! Many of the bands I've learned about have been introduced at random by Pandora. I've gone on to buy quite a few albums (and seen shows) thanks to that passive discovery process. ...we know there's a system that will rise out of this that will undoubtedly be regulated. That sounds wonderful -- because we all know how much regulation fosters…

Hmm, you definitely have a point. People have rarely felt musicians should be paid (a lot) for their self-expression; I can't really recall when it was a lucrative career. What I suppose I meant was that the best musicians have often (though not always) been poor business people. You're also right that sometimes they deserve to be paid. It is my intuition that the free market works against supporting the largest numb…

This sounds an awful lot like welfare for people "attempting to create music". Are you sure that's what you mean to say?

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by blueben »

brandnewlow wrote: post #15
axod wrote: post #13

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It's like 4 chords and a drum beat. Do you really need to give credit for that? (I know legally the answer is likely yes, but I don't think it should be). Imagine if we had to give credit for each 4 lines of code that had already been used by someone else :/ Or a painter who had to give credit for a certain way of drawing a beard.

If he used the actual sample from the song then it's more likely: - 4 chords - a drum beat - a $5,000 microphone to record the guitar so it sounds like that - a $3000 keyboard to make the piano sound like that - $10,000 in drum gear to get them to sound that way etc. etc. etc. I symapathize with people who want credit for samples. A lot of work and money goes into making pop music pop the way it does.

If you're paying $18k for one mic, one keyboard, and one drum set, I have a nice bridge I'd like to show you...

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by cubedice »

blueben wrote: post #53
cubedice wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, you definitely have a point. People have rarely felt musicians should be paid (a lot) for their self-expression; I can't really recall when it was a lucrative career. What I suppose I meant was that the best musicians have often (though not always) been poor business people. You're also right that sometimes they deserve to be paid. It is my intuition that the free market works against supporting the largest numb…

This sounds an awful lot like welfare for people "attempting to create music". Are you sure that's what you mean to say?

Not really. Although that's a funny thought.

I'd go for a system that enforced a payment based upon a baseline # of listens on pandora, last.fm or youtube.

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by brandnewlow »

blueben wrote: post #54
brandnewlow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he used the actual sample from the song then it's more likely: - 4 chords - a drum beat - a $5,000 microphone to record the guitar so it sounds like that - a $3000 keyboard to make the piano sound like that - $10,000 in drum gear to get them to sound that way etc. etc. etc. I symapathize with people who want credit for samples. A lot of work and money goes into making pop music pop the way it does.

If you're paying $18k for one mic, one keyboard, and one drum set, I have a nice bridge I'd like to show you...

Recording a drum kit in a professional way can involve as many as 8 microphones, each one requiring a preamplifier and effects. Add in the cost of the drums themselves and the hourly rate of a session player. 18k may be an overstatement, but it's a nontrivial cost.

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by axod »

rsheridan6 wrote: post #41
axod wrote: post #23

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I don't think a lot of it is a matter of being pro-filesharing or anti. It's about recognizing the changing market. Culture has shifted. Once people marveled at how they could listen to a recording of a singer so it was just like having them perform in their own house! They placed a large value on that. They were happy to pay to buy the latest album. As things have moved on, people just place far less value on being…

Your grandparents were buying recorded music. It's not some new fad. The reason we expect music to be free, or nearly free, now is because of filesharing. If Napster and its spiritual descendants had never existed, people would still be buying music more or less like it was 1999.

My grandparents were buying sheet music and playing and singing the songs themselves.

Re: The last word on Lily Allen and her anti-filesharing campaign

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Post by moscoso »

NathanKP wrote: post #18
petercooper wrote: post #11

It's not fair and I think she's really mean.

I certainly understand your pun on Lilly Allen's song yet I must say that we can't really complain about artists complaining about pirating. Sure Lilly Allen might have gone a little overboard, but its a valid complaint. Artists need to be paid just like everyone else. The fact that they get paid so much more money than most of the rest of us do is irrelevant. It doesn't mean we are entitled to steal from them. If yo…

I mean you can probably buy it off iTunes for 99 cents to a $1.29

Did you know that iTunes store does not exist in many places outside America?

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