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Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

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Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

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Post by acqq »

xnull2guest wrote: post #50
acqq wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The names are certainly new, but AFAIK the names themselves aren't classified. What's behind the names is classified, but more details about such actions were already published. We just learn more names, that is, how they call these actions internally. And we get a nice summary of the previous disclosures. Written by the authorities who otherwise denied the parts of it even as the specific documents were published. I…

It's like seeing certain plays from a sport team before, and then after a game seeing their notebook with their general game strategy. Yeah everything we saw before 'fits in' to what was released today - for example we already knew from examples that the NSA works to break encryption - but now we also know that it is considered one of six key investments and that it probably has its own leadership separate from the o…

Wrong, the names aren't classified, contrary to your claim "the names are most definitely classified." Look in the document, the title "Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" is clearly marked "U" which according to Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_U...

Means "Unclassified."

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#52

Post by xnull2guest »

acqq wrote: post #51
xnull2guest wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like seeing certain plays from a sport team before, and then after a game seeing their notebook with their general game strategy. Yeah everything we saw before 'fits in' to what was released today - for example we already knew from examples that the NSA works to break encryption - but now we also know that it is considered one of six key investments and that it probably has its own leadership separate from the o…

Wrong, the names aren't classified, contrary to your claim "the names are most definitely classified." Look in the document, the title "Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" is clearly marked "U" which according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_U... Means "Unclassified."

Well what do you know. U//FOUO

Unclassified. For official use only.

Yup the names are not classified.

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#53

Post by acqq »

xnull2guest wrote: post #52
acqq wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, the names aren't classified, contrary to your claim "the names are most definitely classified." Look in the document, the title "Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" is clearly marked "U" which according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_U... Means "Unclassified."

Well what do you know. U//FOUO Unclassified. For official use only. Yup the names are not classified.

One line before the one where you've probably found that combination is just "(U) Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" clearly without the FOUO (which, if existed, would mean "for official use only"). The markings specify the following not the previous content. So the title I quoted as containing the name is just and only "U" unclassified.

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#54

Post by xnull2guest »

acqq wrote: post #53
xnull2guest wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what do you know. U//FOUO Unclassified. For official use only. Yup the names are not classified.

One line before the one where you've probably found that combination is just "(U) Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" clearly without the FOUO (which, if existed, would mean "for official use only"). The markings specify the following not the previous content. So the title I quoted as containing the name is just and only "U" unclassified.

So an addendum.

As the terms are not classified there are minimal standards regarding using the names in less secured conversation. If another country has intercepted communications or documents with some mention of SENTRY EAGLE, now that this has been released they know some of the conversation/document context.

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#55

Post by foxhedgehog »

xnull2guest wrote: post #52
acqq wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, the names aren't classified, contrary to your claim "the names are most definitely classified." Look in the document, the title "Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" is clearly marked "U" which according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_U... Means "Unclassified."

Well what do you know. U//FOUO Unclassified. For official use only. Yup the names are not classified.

//FOUO is a classified designation.

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#56

Post by acqq »

xnull2guest wrote: post #54
acqq wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One line before the one where you've probably found that combination is just "(U) Sentry Eagle Data Sheet" clearly without the FOUO (which, if existed, would mean "for official use only"). The markings specify the following not the previous content. So the title I quoted as containing the name is just and only "U" unclassified.

So an addendum. As the terms are not classified there are minimal standards regarding using the names in less secured conversation. If another country has intercepted communications or documents with some mention of SENTRY EAGLE, now that this has been released they know some of the conversation/document context.

It's what the names are for: to allow referring to the projects in unprotected environment without revealing what the projects are.

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#57

Post by acqq »

foxhedgehog wrote: post #55
xnull2guest wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what do you know. U//FOUO Unclassified. For official use only. Yup the names are not classified.

//FOUO is a classified designation.

Almost correct, FOUO is a designation used to effectively classify the unclassified information from the public (really! [1]) but he looked at the wrong line.

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[1] "unclassified but which the government does not believe should be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests" (wikipedia)

Re: Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

#58

Post by xnull2guest »

foxhedgehog wrote: post #55
xnull2guest wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what do you know. U//FOUO Unclassified. For official use only. Yup the names are not classified.

//FOUO is a classified designation.

It's appears also to be an unclassified designation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_U...

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