Behind League of Legends, E-Sports’s Main Attraction

Post by gberger » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 6:24 AM UTC

chc wrote: post #36

sliverstorm wrote: post #24

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I don't know if you are familiar with DoTA, but can you comment on why DoTA doesn't seem to have the problem with games stalling as players fight for vision control? I believe the DoTA ward model is very similar to the original LoL ward model.

Dota's wards are pretty different from LoL. The reason League of Legends used to devolve into a vision battle was that both teams could just keep placing wards as long as they had gold. So one team's support player would just go around placing wards and removing any wards they found, while the other team's support player would go around re-placing their destroyed wards and destroying the other team's wards that went…

Post by NamTaf » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 10:49 AM UTC

jamesaguilar wrote: post #43

sondr3 wrote: post #33

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Which is what I like about Dota, with LoL it's usually blatantly obvious who will win by the 10 minute mark but it's not so much so with Dota. Obviously stomps happen and the team that leads at 10 more often than not wins but it doesn't feel as loop sided as LoL does.

I have heard this view, but is it actually supported by the data? That is, do comebacks happen with any significant frequency in high-level DotA? For example, in all of the finals of the recent International, there was a leader at 10m who won the game. I'm not going to go through all the games and check, but I'd guess we'd find this to be true the vast majority of the time in professional DotA games, as it is in Leag…

Post by thekingofspain » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 2:50 PM UTC

spiritplumber wrote: post #11

jokoon wrote: post #8

I played long hours of counter strike, warcraft 3, wow, quake, starcraft 2, and I never liked the original dota map nor LoL. I just think it's a bad mix of several games. The level format doesn't make a lot of sense. It has the disadvantages of a RTS while being some sort of a RPG (little or no persistence), doesn't have a solo mode, and doesn't even allow to control more than 1 unit. It's slow and boring. The conten…

I'd play LoL if one player per team could play as the minions... I love RTSs, was ranked in starcraft (a lifetime ago) and prefer setting up and executing clever strategies to microing an enemy to death. LoL is Starcraft with most of the non-micro elements gone. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.

Post by Igglyboo » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 4:20 PM UTC

Kiro wrote: post #55

LoL and DotA seem to be the same game except that you can't deny in LoL, making it more casual. Am I wrong?

Post by Igglyboo » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 4:24 PM UTC

VonGuard wrote: post #15

jokoon wrote: post #8

I played long hours of counter strike, warcraft 3, wow, quake, starcraft 2, and I never liked the original dota map nor LoL. I just think it's a bad mix of several games. The level format doesn't make a lot of sense. It has the disadvantages of a RTS while being some sort of a RPG (little or no persistence), doesn't have a solo mode, and doesn't even allow to control more than 1 unit. It's slow and boring. The conten…

One of the reasons people find DOTA-likes so unlikeable is the incredibly steep learning curve. It is often said that you know nothing about LoL or DOTA until you've played 1000 games. At around 45 minutes a pop, that means you've got to commit way more time than most people have available in order to get good. The games are more like basketball than Quake. 5 on 5, and if 1 player on a team is bad, that team will pro…