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Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Honestly if you really want to create a good brand, create a useful product and be an honest company. Seth is wrong; you can control what people say about you. But you can't hack it with a system like this. And if your not a sleazy corporation producing bad product, you certainly don't need something like Public Brand.

Seth is wrong; you can control what people say about you. Would you mind explaining this?

Sure. I simply meant that having a useful product and a good company culture will largely control what people say about you. Google is a great example. I'm not sure what they'll be like going forward, but their record since 2000 is pretty stellar. While not as rare as it once was, Google bashing is still uncommon.

On the other hand, if you engage in underhanded business tactics and don't really care about your customers, you'll have a much harder time controlling the public opinion. Microsoft has been fighting this battle for a long time, and sometimes the results are quite comical. See the Seinfeld/Gates commercial for an example.

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Can someone explain how aggregation (for blackmail) is "value-adding" to a business? My company considers $4,800 a year in bribes to Squidoo as evil as an e-paparazzi goblin. No business with any internet savvy would cave to these ransom notices, as anyone with a Google search can still turn up the "dirt" that business paid $4,800 to bury. Not only do I consider Seth's move unethical, but it's lame too.

Personally, he's done nothing wrong. It's public, openly available information that some people want.

If that information is tampered by the underlying company, then people will probably want less of it. If companies want to pay Seth to put up alongside that content, how is that bad or wrong? Isn't that just like having sponsored links alongside Google SERPs?

Has Google 'brandjacked' IBM if it allows sponsored links next to IBM related search lookups, especially if those links are to Dell's site? Thus if Godin has brandjacked, then Google definitely has. Also, Google spiders IBM's websites to get this information. The result: IBM can advertise next to Dell's SERPs and Microsoft and others can compete with Google.

Why get angry? It's just a freakin' mashup. It's not like he's letting competitors to cross-post on one another's listings.

If Godin starts to make money, then competitors will come.

His site is like Alltop - a commodity service, nothing special, but there's probably only enough room in the market for 1.

People who are angry or jealous, don't get mad, get even and compete, there's nothing so far unethical I've seen.

(edit: in fact if he really want to cause a stir, why not just let competitors trash each other on each other's pages? So far that's not possible, and props to him for not allowing it, I could easily see that happening in competitive markets.)

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Like GetSatisfaction, stripped to its essentials this is "I have an authority domain and can rank for your brand name. Such a wonderful brand, would hate to see anything happen to it. $5,000 a year is cheap to you, isn't it?"

Not really. GetSatisfaction was misleading customer's into thinking their site was an official support channel for the brand. Apples and oranges. Besides, Squidoo.com isn't an authority domain, and its "lenses" don't rank for anything on Google.

Not true on both accounts. They rank for over 125,000 keywords.

Source: http://spyfu.com/Domain.aspx?d=4637578045168633002

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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In case this business model actually works soon enough you get dozens of websites wanting you to pay them for your brand.

That doesn't follow. The supposed blackmail value of anything a site like this might publish diminishes the more sites try to publish it. A site will have to actually add value instead of selling the illusion that you can truly control what is said about you online. Whether Squidoo/Brands In Public is adding value now is debatable, but time will tell.

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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This is just like MerchantCircle, GetSatisfaction, etc. How many of these types of sites can businesses bear before deciding enough is enough? I don't think there's room for many more.

They have to undercut all of them by doing it themselves. If big brands start publishing this stuff on their own sites, no one will bother with the other sites.

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment could be improved by explaining why.

I think the article explains it just fine. Nothing wrong with expressing agreement with 3 words.

It's wrong on HN. Substantial comments prevent the degradation of the site culture into Reddit. Unsubstantial comments invite shallow thought and blind agreement - both of which teach us nothing the article couldn't.

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. GetSatisfaction was misleading customer's into thinking their site was an official support channel for the brand. Apples and oranges. Besides, Squidoo.com isn't an authority domain, and its "lenses" don't rank for anything on Google.

Not true on both accounts. They rank for over 125,000 keywords. Source: http://spyfu.com/Domain.aspx?d=4637578045168633002

I guess I should have specified valuable keywords. I don't have a SpyFu account, but if "7up cake" and variants are examples of their best keywords, I wouldn't call that a big win.

Re: Seth Godin Tries Out Brandjacking

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Great opportunity, poor execution. Big companies are concerned about their image. The net does change how PR is done, and no-one yet knows how to do it. So making that problem managable is an important contribution. Let's be clear: for a big company, $400 pcm is a rounding error for PR expense. The real question is whether that expense will actually do them any good. And so we move to execution: The info on the actua…

What Amazon PR problem?

From Seth's blog that launched brands in public: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/09/launching-br...

Over the last few months, we've seen big brands (like Amazon and Maytag) get caught in a twitterstorm.

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