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Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by yskchu »

spacehunt wrote: post #45
gurkendoktor wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen this in my Twitter stream today, and I can't really believe it - does the PRC state media really try to re-brand the photos as a "celebration"?? https://twitter.com/libdave/status/516281577001590785 Then again, I think that's pretty much what they did with pictures from the Taipei student protests earlier this year... (Edit: Whoops, duplicate of a sibling post :) )

Source: http://www.chinanews.com/shipin/cnstv/2014/09-26/news500277.... They actually got some "celebrators" standing in front of the protesters claiming everybody is having a party.

Don't spread the FUD that others are creating.

This is a picture of a separate celebration event from the 26th (Friday). It's part of the celebration events leading up to 1st Oct.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by barry-cotter »

wyuenho wrote: post #18
JDShu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, that's a very good question and one that demonstrators rarely think about. Frankly, and until somebody convinces me otherwise, I think that Occupy Central was and is a strategic failure if the end goal is gain a better form of democracy in Hong Kong. China has shown time and again that it will not back down when things get physical, and in for example, the case of Tiananmen square, the government got m…

What other alternatives do you have to suggest to fight for a true democracy?

Give up or emigrate. The CCP aren't stupid and they'd prefer a Hong Kong with an imploded economy and massive emigration because they sent in the PLA to one in which they backed down over protests and showed everyone they can be beaten.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by Mikeb85 »

tszming wrote: post #12

Hongkonger here also (now going to out to see the latest situation) For those who want a TLDR: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/28/6856663/hong-kong-democracy-pro... Lot of protesters are just TEENAGERS/STUDENTS who want a peaceful protest , and the crazy police are fully armed and used countless tear gas on them. This is going to be one of the largest events in HK history.

> Lot of protesters are just TEENAGERS/STUDENTS who want a peaceful protest , and the crazy police are fully armed and used countless tear gas on them.

The police must have taken a page from the Ferguson, MO playbook... Or maybe just Occupy Wall St....

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by Mikeb85 »

wyuenho wrote: post #18
JDShu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, that's a very good question and one that demonstrators rarely think about. Frankly, and until somebody convinces me otherwise, I think that Occupy Central was and is a strategic failure if the end goal is gain a better form of democracy in Hong Kong. China has shown time and again that it will not back down when things get physical, and in for example, the case of Tiananmen square, the government got m…

What other alternatives do you have to suggest to fight for a true democracy?

Who has a 'true' democracy? In the US all candidates are vetted by business leaders and party backers, and 2 parties are hardly any more democratic than 1 big one...

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by Mikeb85 »

cluthe wrote: post #43
Shad0w59 wrote: post #22

The amount of hyperbole in this thread (and in the protest) is unbelievable. Protesters are quick to talk this up as the next Tiananmen Square when in fact looking at the ground it's nothing like it. You just need to look at Hong Kong culture to see that this is being overblown. It's the HK style, there's no middle ground, it's either the end of the world or nothing worth mentioning. Of course the people have a right…

That's not HK style, that's the corporate media's style, and you see it everywhere. The protesters have actually shown a lot of class - it's the police and government who need to show some class and have a more measured response to peaceful protests.

No worse than what US authorities did in 'Occupy' protests...

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by flipp »

wyuenho wrote: post #10

Hongkonger here. I help out with a number of volunteer tech groups in HK, including a few resistance groups. I'm also on the Hong Kong Python User Group committee. We are hoping for the best but would like to prepare for the worst, so I'd like to ask fellow HNers here who have been in similar situations before: what can we expect to encounter in terms of disruptions in communications? Under those situations, how can…

I've been working on an application that might help with some of these issues. It allows protesters to communicate anonymously and securely in crowds using adhoc wifi/bluetooth and onion routing. Protest leaders can create a protest and add a password that spreads via word of mouth in the crowd and ideally isn't told to police/security forces. Leaders can designate lieutenants and the chat can be read-only to everyone except them. And it works even if security forces turn cell towers off. The work in progress is here: https://github.com/jackflips/Protest

I need help building an android version and fixing/auditing the current code. If that sounds interesting please get in touch :)

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by caycep »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #54
tszming wrote: post #12

Hongkonger here also (now going to out to see the latest situation) For those who want a TLDR: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/28/6856663/hong-kong-democracy-pro... Lot of protesters are just TEENAGERS/STUDENTS who want a peaceful protest , and the crazy police are fully armed and used countless tear gas on them. This is going to be one of the largest events in HK history.

> Lot of protesters are just TEENAGERS/STUDENTS who want a peaceful protest , and the crazy police are fully armed and used countless tear gas on them. The police must have taken a page from the Ferguson, MO playbook... Or maybe just Occupy Wall St....

Re Ferguson - I hope they didn't take a page from what was clearly one of the most inept police actions in recent history...one would think they were smarter than that.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by bootload »

yeukhon wrote: post #50
rdlecler1 wrote: post #19

This is going to be Tianmen all over again: kill the chicken to scare the monkey. I remember seeing a photo of military vehicles coming into HK a couple weeks ago. If West did little with Russia you can bet they'd do even less with HK.

> I remember seeing a photo of military vehicles coming into HK a couple weeks ago. FYI, there is a Chinese military base in HK since 1997. So seeing that is not even news. It's a norm.

> Chinese military base in HK since 1997

the drinkbottle? Passed through last week and didn't see anything out of the ordinary.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Post by spacehunt »

yskchu wrote: post #51
spacehunt wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: http://www.chinanews.com/shipin/cnstv/2014/09-26/news500277.... They actually got some "celebrators" standing in front of the protesters claiming everybody is having a party.

Don't spread the FUD that others are creating. This is a picture of a separate celebration event from the 26th (Friday). It's part of the celebration events leading up to 1st Oct.

The students were already boycotting classes and attending the protests around the CGO on Friday.
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