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Netflix and the Future of Television

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Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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Sports - that's the ticket. Comcast remains relevant for two reasons in my mind - they provide high-speed Internet in a quasi-monopolistic fashion, and local sports broadcasting. (I live in Philly, the stranglehold on sports here is palpable.) That said, even sports apps are starting to show up on Apple TV and the like - it's just that right now, sports are attached to cable deals, much like HBO Go is attached to cab…

What bothers me is that we'll likely never see an API for all this content. TV software is spectacularly awful. Netflix is merely mediocre, which makes it feel like pure awesome compared to the piss-poor UIs that TV users are familiar with. of course, content wins so the interface is bottom priority. But without an API, there is no way for a 3rd party to provide a better layer over the content.

If I were a channel, this would be something I would really want to look into -- imagine different software services or internet services directly licensing/subscribing your content instead of you feeding Comcast.

An open API so that pretty much anyone could subscribe to X channels and mash them together in an app or program to do whatever they wanted. Truly a la carte, like downloading books and being able to pick your eReader or library software.

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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The future should be DRM-free. Netflix are not going in the right direction. GOG try to break that wall on the other hand. See https://www.gog.com/forum/general/introducing_gogcom_drmfree...

Why should the future of internet streaming be DRM free? If I purchase an ebook, I'm going to insist on DRM-free because it's my book and I want to be able to do whatever I like with it. But for streaming video I'm merely renting.

> Why should the future of internet streaming be DRM free?

Because there is no good reason to use DRM. Ever.

> But for streaming video I'm merely renting.

You mix up the concept of streaming with renting. A common mistake that for some reason a lot of people make.

Streaming is simply a convenience. An ability to watch something from the cloud without downloading it first. Who said it has to be equal to renting? You can perfectly buy something and have it stored in the cloud to stream it while being able to save it for local backup at the same time. That's exactly what GOG offer for their DRM-free video.

Now with streaming misunderstanding out of the way let's take a look at renting. First of all using DRM for renting is pointless. If it's intended to prevent potential abuse of renting terms, then it's worthless same way it's worthless to prevent any piracy in general since those who want can access all the same content through piracy sources at any time. So any kind of enforcement of renting with DRM is futile and only reduces usability of the product for nothing.

Now let's also review the concept of renting itself. It doesn't really make any sense for digital goods in general. For physical merchandise renting allows reusability, which allows in term using lower price for renting in comparison with selling since there is no repeated cost of production. For digital goods this problem is non existent because cost of reproduction is practically non existent (digital copying). So there is no good reason to make the price of selling any higher than the price of renting. Or in other words, the whole concept of renting is nonsensical for digital goods. It wouldn't hurt to always allow the user to back up their data if they want to (i.e. complete purchase, not a rent).

Now with renting out of the way let's take a look at Netflix. Essentially their novelty is not in the renting aspect, but in an interesting way of organizing the service. Instead of selling film per price, they give access to anything for a monthly fee. This can perfectly be done without falling into renting approach (which can push one to entertain the thought of DRM which is nonsensical anyway as above). Some say, that if you remove DRM from Netflix what would stop users from downloading the whole catalog within the monthly period? The answer to that is that DRM is still not needed, Netflix should just make terms of usage more realistic and use other, non DRM methods to prevent such abuse. I.e. instead of saying "watch what you want in any amount by paying N money a month" they can say "watch / download up to M films by paying N money a month. If you want more - pay extra". That would keep basically similar approach but would prevent potential "download it all" abuse, while at the same time remain DRM-free. And there is no need to turn it into renting. I.e. those M films can be made perfectly downloadable and backupable. Since the main expense for Netflix is the streaming (it eats bandwidth / server activity resources), letting users back video up is perfectly fine - it will only reduce costs by reducing load if users will decide to watch their local backups next time.

The bottom line, Netflix can offer a DRM-free streaming service which allows downloads at the same time and uses their approach of "watch what you want for a monthly fee" except with an addition of "not more than M videos per month. If you want more - pay an additional fee".

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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No mention of torrents or popcorntime?

Likely due to the fact that as of yet, no one has found a particularly good way of monetizing torrents without alienating downloaders. Monetization is a necessity for industry adoption, so it's hard to tie the future of television to something like torrenting, unless there's a way for content creators & licensors to get paid.

Blocktech are trying to do something like this with MovieCoin[1]. They contacted PopcornTime about it but I'm not sure how far their technology is at the moment

[1] https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/427/moviecoin-worldwid...

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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Why should the future of internet streaming be DRM free? If I purchase an ebook, I'm going to insist on DRM-free because it's my book and I want to be able to do whatever I like with it. But for streaming video I'm merely renting.

> Why should the future of internet streaming be DRM free? Because there is no good reason to use DRM. Ever. > But for streaming video I'm merely renting. You mix up the concept of streaming with renting. A common mistake that for some reason a lot of people make. Streaming is simply a convenience. An ability to watch something from the cloud without downloading it first. Who said it has to be equal to renting? You c…

No. Netflix is a rental service. If you are paying a recurring fee, and you only have access to the product as long as you pay the fee you are renting.

Netflix main expense is not bandwidth it is content.

But yes, if netflix started selling tv shows and movies like you suggest, drm free would be something consumers should demand.

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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"Of course, being a dumb pipe means less profitability" If you have a strong, legally enforced monopoly, I'm not seeing this. Is walmart really less profitable than mom -n- pop main street? If they aren't, why did mom -n- pop main street all go out of business when walmart moved in? The future seems to be big dumb profitable pipes and much less profitable content sources.

Walmart isn't a dumb-pipe, for one. A dumb pipe would be electric and water companies, are those as profitable as cable companies?

"Walmart isn't a dumb-pipe"

Have you actually talked to walmart employees?

Go to an upscale A/V audiophile class store and talk to a salesperson for awhile. They'll be a lot of green ink on CDs and thousand dollar speaker cable talk, but they'll also know at least some analog EE stuff, maybe not much, but more than their average customers. The sales guy almost certainly understands the features and UI and can teach you if you ask or put on a rather impressive demonstration and describe at length how to connect components together (with the hope of addon sales obviously). That is not a dumb pipe.

Then go to walmart and ask any drone about that surround sound amp on the shelf. Good luck getting more than "I donno man, all I do is match up the UPC on the box with the UPC on the price tag" Now that, is a dumb pipe.

We can do this all day with house paint, furniture, board games, firearms, camp gear, movies, video games, clothes, I think the only things where they're keeping up with the competition is the pharmacy, which is solely due to legal licensing stuff, and food, where the standard supermarket drone (I was one in high school) knows absolutely nothing about food or cooking.

Another fun analogy in the famous HN car analogy theme, is a non-dumb pipe car dealership would have salespeople who can answer any FAQ or weird question about a car. Oh thats how you pair your bluetooth phone to the radio. The spark plugs need changing every 50K miles. It runs just fine on 87 octane gas although the more expensive stuff will burn just as well. A dumb pipe of a car dealership would be you walk up to a car on the lot, flag down an employee, ask them if the car has four wheels, and they're all "I donno man, I just park them in the correct spot as fast as I can and thats all I know about them."

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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> Why should the future of internet streaming be DRM free? Because there is no good reason to use DRM. Ever. > But for streaming video I'm merely renting. You mix up the concept of streaming with renting. A common mistake that for some reason a lot of people make. Streaming is simply a convenience. An ability to watch something from the cloud without downloading it first. Who said it has to be equal to renting? You c…

No. Netflix is a rental service. If you are paying a recurring fee, and you only have access to the product as long as you pay the fee you are renting. Netflix main expense is not bandwidth it is content. But yes, if netflix started selling tv shows and movies like you suggest, drm free would be something consumers should demand.

> Netflix is a rental service.

It is now. My point is that there is no reason for it to be a rental service. I explained above why.

> If you are paying a recurring fee, and you only have access to the product as long as you pay the fee you are renting.

Did you read what I wrote above? Even if you pay a recurring monthly fee, there is no reason to make it a rent rather than a purchase of up to any M titles of your choice per month for that very monthly fee. Rental is nonsense for digital goods.

Re: Netflix and the Future of Television

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I don't understand your assertion. Bodega vs. Stop & Shop vs. Wal-Mart to buy Tide detergent. Wal-Mart adds nothing to the product, but delivers it more efficiently. That is the definition of a "dumb pipe." Can you explain how that's not a dumb pipe?

Using massive scale and buying power to influence the price of a produce is adding something to the product. Can your electric company do that? No, they only delivery the product at it's market value. Also, a pipe doesn't care what travels through it; does Wal-Mart sell every retail product in existence?

"Also, a pipe doesn't care what travels through it; does Wal-Mart sell every retail product in existence?"

None of the employees you'll ever interact with, with the possible exception of the pharmacist and optician, will know anything at all about the boxes they put on the shelves. Thats a dumb pipe.

None of the consumers know or care about how smart the HVAC thermostat is, or how JIT the truck drivers drop off the next pallet of kitty litter 3 hours before the store runs out of stock.

Its not an applied technology question. Pipe manufacturing can be fairly technologically advanced, perhaps for aerospace work or car brake systems. Xray inspection of welds and fittings, seamless exotic metal alloys. Highly trained and experienced installers and quality assurance teams. Advanced 3-d cad to bend and place the pipe just so. None the less, its still fundamentally just a dumb pipe, stuff pours in one end of the pipe, then it comes out the other end of the pipe.

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