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Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

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I'm not sure about the data source, but my query on my situation seems to be accurate (base salary was roughly matching).

As a citizen the salaries are almost double my rate for same position/same company.

Is it a large or small company? How long have you been there? Are you looking only at the base salary part? (e.g. for the reference my total compensation is almost double than my base salary)...

Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

#55
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a citizen the salaries are almost double my rate for same position/same company.

Is it a large or small company? How long have you been there? Are you looking only at the base salary part? (e.g. for the reference my total compensation is almost double than my base salary)...

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Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

#56

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Let's say you're being underpaid; what is the right strategy to take? I don't want to poison the working relationship with people above me.

Schedule a meeting with supervisor. At the meeting, bring up how well the company is doing and how well you are doing. Ask for a raise. You don't need to say where you got your number, or complain that you were underpaid before. Go in knowing your market salary -- which they probably know anyway. EDIT This isn't a surefire plan; as the sibling comment says, sometimes you have to leave to get paid your market.

I loved the line a manager at my previous employer gave us circa 2011 about our terrible raises:

"Well, the company is doing well, but since the economy sucks and unemployment is at 8% the company feels like we should be fortunate to have jobs and thus doesn't feel like they will lose anyone over salary."

It should be noted that, from 2006 until I finally got out in 2012 I saw two people leave for outside opportunities, out of a program that had over 300 people. More people retired than quit. Maybe management just had them that well pegged.

Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

#57
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I use http://visadoor.com for the same info, and I believe from the same official source: http://visadoor.com/perm (Daily PERM results) http://visadoor.com/h1bvisa-database (H1B ) http://visadoor.com/greencards-database (PERM, more detailed info)

this web site ( http://visadoor.com/ ) has been blocked because it has been determined by Web Reputation Filters to be a security threat to your computer or the corporate network. Indeed!

Cisco's firewall blocks it too. Funny stuff.

Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

#58

Does this include bonuses? Many companies (mine included) pay 40%+ extra in bonuses to bring people to the market level. (site is also down so I can't see)

If it takes bonuses to get you to market rates, then you're still underpaid.

Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

#59
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you're being underpaid; what is the right strategy to take? I don't want to poison the working relationship with people above me.

(this is assuming a large company) Raise an issue with them that you feel you're being underpaid. I've done this in 1-on-1 meetings with managers in the past. If they think you're worth keeping, they will do what they can to give you a raise when the time comes. But keep in mind that other people on their team maybe be underpaid more than you, so they might try to correct those people's salaries first. At least from…

Worth noting that what you proposed with regards to presenting a competing offer to your current employer is typically a card you only play once. More than that and you tend to be viewed as a mercenary who causes problems. Plus, the people you are presenting this to will quite likely feel like they've had a gun put to their heads in a situation they may have very little direct control over, and nobody likes being put in that spot multiple times.

Not saying that is right or wrong, just know that doing this multiple times at the same company is often frowned upon.

Also, don't do it without being ready to make the switch--you never know when your company will call your bluff and say "ok, enjoy your new job, your last day is today."

I'd also like to present the flip side, which is what it is like to be on the receiving end of such a request. I had an employee I managed in a past job come to me with a reasonable raise/promotion request. Myself and my boss did everything we could to give it to him as he definitely deserved it in spades. We were blocked by the finance and HR departments. They did not want to do things "out of cycle" which isn't exactly fair to the employee if they started significantly outside the beginning of that cycle.

Ultimately I lost them to a competitor, and felt absolutely awful about it (even though this was in an industry where turnover is incredibly high and 1 year stints are very common). The worst part was that it was totally out of my control and I did everything I could to make it happen and failed.

When I had a similar situation in the future with someone else I managed, I flat out told them I would do my absolute best to fight for them (and they knew I meant it), but said that if the company wouldn't give them what they deserved, I would not hold it against them in the least for switching since they need to do what's best for them regardless of the headaches it would cause the team. They ultimately left for more money and the company lost another valuable employee because they couldn't part with a couple grand per year which was a pittance compared to the value this person added.

Long story short, it sucks just as bad to be on the receiving end of this, but a lot of times the direct manager may not actually be empowered to make the budget decision necessary to offer a raise. In those cases, please do your best not to hold it against them if they can't win that fight.

Re: Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data

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I love these things. Transparency in salary information gives the employees more power. I know the site is down at the moment but it's worth it to bookmark and come back later. Make sure you set the search fields to 2013 or 2012 to 2013 to remove stale salaries. You don't want to negotiate using data from 2009. ;) Here is comparing google to microsoft to amazon in Seattle. The gaps are pretty wide even for college hi…

Let's say you're being underpaid; what is the right strategy to take? I don't want to poison the working relationship with people above me.

You are expected to leave the company. Raises are kept far, far below the rate at which employees actually accrue value in order to ensure that employees do not stay at a company for longer than 4 or 5 years. After 4 or 5 years, the gap between what you would make anywhere else and what you can make where you already are is enormous.

There is a quote from hundreds of years ago which applies. "Make game of that which makes as much of thee." They fully intend to game you and exploit your desire for stability and predictability in your life. Play them back.

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