The PRISM break list is far more comprehensive: https://prism-break.org
What I use instead of Google services
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Re: What I use instead of Google services
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between data privacy now, and data privacy 10 or 20 years ago has little to do with how many people have access to it, or how secure it is. It mostly has to do with who can analyze it. An example: where you walk in public is public information, but for most of human history, no one has had the capability to keep a database of that information and query it retroactively. Your location information is the…
Ok, say someone has a complete database of my location sampled at 10 minute intervals over the past few years. What could they do with that information that would be harmful to me?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#53That's all fine and dandy - however most of the time when I'm working as a consultant, I'm created an email account on the company's domain. Typically hosted on, you guessed it, Google Apps. For some people leaving Google is literally not an option, and that's a shame.
Have you tried Zoho? I have used both and it comes pretty close to Google Apps and additionally they still offer a free option.
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between data privacy now, and data privacy 10 or 20 years ago has little to do with how many people have access to it, or how secure it is. It mostly has to do with who can analyze it. An example: where you walk in public is public information, but for most of human history, no one has had the capability to keep a database of that information and query it retroactively. Your location information is the…
is Apple?
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Re: What I use instead of Google services
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between data privacy now, and data privacy 10 or 20 years ago has little to do with how many people have access to it, or how secure it is. It mostly has to do with who can analyze it. An example: where you walk in public is public information, but for most of human history, no one has had the capability to keep a database of that information and query it retroactively. Your location information is the…
Ok, say someone has a complete database of my location sampled at 10 minute intervals over the past few years. What could they do with that information that would be harmful to me?
Not very creative, eh?
1) The computer never lies and the false positive rate is 0%. So if you walked past a shop that sells weed grow lights enough times, you'll be on a list and some night at 2am they'll smash open your door, shoot your dog, and throw a grenade into your babies crib. This is "OK" because it usually only happens to poor minorities and the computer never lies and there is no such thing as a false positive. Even just street crime is an issue.
2) Times change. Being on a list as living as a Jew in Germany in 1923 not a huge problem. In 1943 being on that old list is not so good. Walk past a mosque on a daily basis in '90 no big deal, in '10 maybe not so good when they look at the historical records to Keep Us Safe From Terror (tm). Its almost unpredictable who we'll be punishing / torturing in a couple decades. Probably not reasonably well off white men, but everyone else is either nervous or ignorantly not nervous.
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#56I was hoping this was suggestions for services you can host yourself. Switching from Google to Apple doesn't really change much.
Maybe I can oblige here then :) owncloud, owncloud, owncloud! It has CalDAV, CardDAV, and files support. There's even a rudimentary (though scary) online editor with support for openoffice. I use two-factor with owncloud, and happily share files, too. And... it supports an encrypted backend!. Now, if you're happy to host your own mail, you can also look at adding RoundCube. This can solve the Calendar/Contacts/Email/…
> I use two-factor with owncloud,
What are you using for the two-factor?
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#57Browser: Safari / ... Maps: ... / Apple for directions on mobile Phone OS: iOS Calendar: iCloud And then talks about data not given to one company. Really, is it just a strange joke?
I thought it was satire because
>I don't like to be tracked.
>Phone OS: iOS, etc
But now I think it is serious, if not highly deluded.
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between data privacy now, and data privacy 10 or 20 years ago has little to do with how many people have access to it, or how secure it is. It mostly has to do with who can analyze it. An example: where you walk in public is public information, but for most of human history, no one has had the capability to keep a database of that information and query it retroactively. Your location information is the…
Ok, say someone has a complete database of my location sampled at 10 minute intervals over the past few years. What could they do with that information that would be harmful to me?
Build a very complete profile of you, sell that data to advertisers. Maybe tell insurance companies that you frequently do high risk activities. Sell the information that you were at the beach when you took a sick day. This list could go on and on.
Another thing: Imagine someone would get HD video of your room while you slept in it. I can't imagine what use it would be but I absolutely would not like to be filmed like that.
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between data privacy now, and data privacy 10 or 20 years ago has little to do with how many people have access to it, or how secure it is. It mostly has to do with who can analyze it. An example: where you walk in public is public information, but for most of human history, no one has had the capability to keep a database of that information and query it retroactively. Your location information is the…
Ok, say someone has a complete database of my location sampled at 10 minute intervals over the past few years. What could they do with that information that would be harmful to me?
So you're saying you're ok with me knowing everywhere you've been for the past few years?
I'm going to assume then that you don't visit strip clubs, bars, 'adult book' stores, the house of your drug dealer, the house of your secret lover, a proctologists office, an OBGYN, an abortion clinic, or a million other places. You may not visit these places, but many others do, and having that information publicly available could be devastating to families, careers, entire lives.
On the other end of the spectrum, say you happen to be in the general vicinity of multiple burglaries at the time these crimes are believed to have happened. You're arrested and have to prove your own innocence.
Or maybe someone who wants to do you harm looks at your data for patterns, and goes to the right place at the right time to rob, extort, harass, rape, even murder you.
In general, I think having your location information public is a terrifying prospect.
Re: What I use instead of Google services
#60I was hoping this was suggestions for services you can host yourself. Switching from Google to Apple doesn't really change much.
Maybe I can oblige here then :) owncloud, owncloud, owncloud! It has CalDAV, CardDAV, and files support. There's even a rudimentary (though scary) online editor with support for openoffice. I use two-factor with owncloud, and happily share files, too. And... it supports an encrypted backend!. Now, if you're happy to host your own mail, you can also look at adding RoundCube. This can solve the Calendar/Contacts/Email/…
If you want to alpha-test it, we’re also working on a Mail app for ownCloud on the side: https://github.com/owncloud/mail
Just clone it, install the dependencies via composer and you’re good to go. It’s just an IMAP client at the moment, but multi-account and when the IMAP server is on the same origin as ownCloud it’s quite fast. Feedback very welcome!