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Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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Copy of a comment I made in a previous submission, a few hour ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207152 Well, the data is very noisy. The main problem is that this data doesn't have a before/after comparison. Is the 850nm light visible now or it was always visible??? It's also very difficult to make a fair comparison. The room must be the same, the light sources must be the same (a new coffeepot with a small…

If you read the text, it tells you that the 850nm was always visible.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that most of the jokes tend to revolve around becoming some sort of super hero. The stranger thing is that no one has pondered the potential cons having the ability to see beyond the spectrum. Or maybe I don't read enough comic books?

I read something on imgur or here some days ago from a guy who could "see" some UV. He had to wear polarizing glasses because of headaches and had developed a fascination for violet objects.

Older people who get operations for synthetic lens replacements often get to see in UV.

Younger patients get given lenses with coatings that block the UV as over time the UV can damage the retina, but they don't tend to bother with the elderly so as a bonus they get fatter rainbows.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

#53
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that most of the jokes tend to revolve around becoming some sort of super hero. The stranger thing is that no one has pondered the potential cons having the ability to see beyond the spectrum. Or maybe I don't read enough comic books?

From Slashdot: "Seriously though, as someone who has a hearing range beyond the standard I sympathise with people forced to endure irritating stimuli that noone else notices and hence cares about. I remember having to leave a bar once because the tube was going on their old television; the high pitched screech was like nails down a blackboard. My girlfriend thought I was mad."

Wait, can not everyone hear that sound? It's not enough to bother me, but it's definitely noticeable.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

#54

Copy of a comment I made in a previous submission, a few hour ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207152 Well, the data is very noisy. The main problem is that this data doesn't have a before/after comparison. Is the 850nm light visible now or it was always visible??? It's also very difficult to make a fair comparison. The room must be the same, the light sources must be the same (a new coffeepot with a small…

If you read the text, it tells you that the 850nm was always visible.

I reed the previous version of this URL. IIRC it has the same graphs, but the text was much shorter, and didn't explain that. Replace 850 with 950 in my comment. The article now says that 950nm was not visible, but they don't link to the graph.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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post #53
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Slashdot: "Seriously though, as someone who has a hearing range beyond the standard I sympathise with people forced to endure irritating stimuli that noone else notices and hence cares about. I remember having to leave a bar once because the tube was going on their old television; the high pitched screech was like nails down a blackboard. My girlfriend thought I was mad."

Wait, can not everyone hear that sound? It's not enough to bother me, but it's definitely noticeable.

A CRT TV will generally make a 15.7kHz squeal because of the flyback transformer. Not everyone can hear this high: between ages 20 and 40 most people lose hearing down from 20kHz to 10kHz.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that most of the jokes tend to revolve around becoming some sort of super hero. The stranger thing is that no one has pondered the potential cons having the ability to see beyond the spectrum. Or maybe I don't read enough comic books?

In that topic I found the following quote to resonate strongly with me: " I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to — I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other tha…

“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”

That's how you do it.

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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post #41

This could certainly be possible. Jay Neitz did experiments on monkeys to cure colorblindness using gene therapy and was successful. [1] He has said that perhaps one day humans can have genes for more color receptors added to be able to see more colors as some birds do. 1. http://www.neitzvision.com/content/genetherapy.html

To see an extra color, i.e. to become tetrachromats, we would need a lot more than a dietary change, so this is an entirely new subject barely related to the original post. To distinguish an extra color we would need a new type of cone cells with a different spectral response to the three types we already have (called L-, M- and S-cones). We could modify a subset of the existing cells or add new cells. If you modify…

I haven't read it myself, but it's worth pointing out that research has claimed that there already are some humans with four types of cones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy#Possibility_of_h...

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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Link to the original Project Page, if (like me) you're playing catch up on the experiment: https://experiment.com/projects/can-we-biologically-extend-t...

Thank you for that link (it really helped)

There is anecdotal evidence that the since the proteins in the human lens become opaque (absorptive) in the near infrared (search: crystallin transmission spectrum); that patients who have had their lenses removed for cataract surgery see beyond both traditional limit ends (as the polymer lens replacement has a different transmission spectrum) ... so [semi-serious-only] perhaps it would be more efficacious to have one lens removed? (no lens over a snake's thermal pits etc)

Re: Biologically extending human vision into the near-infrared: Initial success

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Link to the original Project Page, if (like me) you're playing catch up on the experiment: https://experiment.com/projects/can-we-biologically-extend-t...

Thank you for that link (it really helped) There is anecdotal evidence that the since the proteins in the human lens become opaque (absorptive) in the near infrared (search: crystallin transmission spectrum); that patients who have had their lenses removed for cataract surgery see beyond both traditional limit ends (as the polymer lens replacement has a different transmission spectrum) ... so [semi-serious-only] perh…

Just providing one of those anecdotes: my father's cataract surgery extended his vision into the near ultraviolet. We discovered this when we walked past a window of a room containing a black light, and he remarked at the bright purple glow coming from within, whereas I could barely see it. Fascinating stuff.
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