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Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #11

I got a surreal feeling when reading about the police reaction. When I lived in Stockholm a decade ago, I called in a few times. The worst case was in the subway, when a big black guy talked incoherently in bad Swedish and started to beat on the windows with a crowbar. I shrugged, walked to the next wagon and called the police. I gave up when I realised they weren't interested in hearing which subway line I was on an…

Yeah that's Sweden for you. Actually recently the cops have been told not to engage when a crime is occurring, and instead just to take notes. They don't want riots. A week ago a riot occurred in Rinkeby (islamic enclave) when a cop stopped a speeding car.

wow really? Strange that there has been no reporting of this "riot" from last week. Islamic enclave? are you actually being serious? there are people from many backgrounds there, yes a large portion seem to be Muslim but calling it an Islamic enclave is preposterous and just gives away your real motivation

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#52
post #9

I'm sorry but I was hoping they would find the thugs and just beat the hell out of them. I've lived in a real ghetto type of area in Spain where the track suit thugs robbing people were an everyday feature.

I live in Barcelona, and the police here intimidate me way more than any "thugs". The police are nasty, unaccountable state sponsored thugs.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess: when you drink beer, you prefer Dos Equis.

Wasn't familiar with the advert till I just looked it up. But no, I have to say, that if I am feeling pretentious, I would have to claim to be more Churchillian in my tastes. What really sets you up for breakfast is some Carlsberg Special Brew, washed down with a nice glass of Buckfast Tonic Wine.

Buckfast Tonic Wine. Are you a Weegie?

Yeah, getting intimidated by neds was part of my growing up. You learn how to show them enough respect not to annoy them, without looking wimpish enough for you to be an easy target.

Some people must have proper sheltered lives.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#54
post #24

I wish we had cops like this in Cambridge, MA. Whenever I've reported a crime, or seen people report a crime, the police can't be bothered...

Its an urban thing. Personal experience:

Urban city: Car accident. No personal injury? Other guy isn't drunk? Just drive away and if your insurance needs a report, visit the cops within the next week or so. They don't respond for robbery / burglary at all although again you can go to the station to make a report if insurance requires. Another incident, someone unsuccessfully tried to break into your car and damaged it, eh, whatever, its your fault for being a victim, you must have done something wrong.

Transitional office park: Car accident. "You will drive yourself to the station immediately and make a report, or we will go out and get you, and I assure you that you do not want us to go get you and bring you in"

Suburb: Minor car accident, neighbor boy learning to drive and wife's friend's car parked in the wrong place at the wrong time. Dispatched a unit, took photographs and wrote report, etc.

There's a big difference in attitude toward crime between urban and suburban living that goes way beyond car ownership or mass transit. Urban areas are downright dangerous and neither the cops nor the other residents care.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#55

I got a surreal feeling when reading about the police reaction. When I lived in Stockholm a decade ago, I called in a few times. The worst case was in the subway, when a big black guy talked incoherently in bad Swedish and started to beat on the windows with a crowbar. I shrugged, walked to the next wagon and called the police. I gave up when I realised they weren't interested in hearing which subway line I was on an…

>> I shrugged, walked to the next wagon and called the police. I gave up when I realised they weren't interested in hearing which subway line I was on and what time, so they could meet up with it.

Your other option is the police in the USA -

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #36
post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

Are we now all supposed to google for whatever the heck "banlieue" or "la BAC" is supposed to mean? :D

Although ‘banlieue’ = ‘suburb’ literally, the analogous word in American media is ‘urban’.

For the SV crowd, Paris = San Francisco, banlieue = Oakland.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#57
post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

I'm a black person from Paris,raised in the banlieue but I dont live in France anymore,except for the holidays to see my family.

I think that things are so polarized in France.It's to late to fix anything.

I have a big issue with cops. They clearly dont control anything anymore so all they end up doing is bothering passersby. They are just useless.No body respect them,so in return they dont respect people either. Ever filed a complain in a police station? you are treated just like a criminal,they cant even tell the different between victims and criminals anymore.

Now is there a "racial" factor? I there is definetly an cultural or ethnic factor. If all immigrants from africa were educated doctors or engineers,things would be different, I guess. White people always point at the chinese for an exemple of "successfull" immigration. At the same time let's not forget who made them come here and why, obviously africans were ready to accept any job for a very low pay.But now their youth are not ready to accept the same living conditions.

Given my experience,as an african, I know there is a strong sense of tribalism and little sense of community or "public good" amongst africans.You own stuff or you dont,there is no "let's share that stuff for the greater good".I think that's something quite important to understand when trying to analyse the situation.

There is of course racism ,white people cant deny that,most white people would prefer giving a job or an appartment to a white person when they are in a position to decide.Ironically black people in the same position would do the same,given how much they distrust their own kind.

I guess the only people that can change things are african immigrant themself.Isolate the "bad" ones and try to work on a better image,better role models,etc... when the only role models of a generation are rappers with stupid lyrics like Booba or Rohff ,it cannot make things better.

But again there is very little sense of community amongst african immigrants,the "community" often is limited to the family.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#58
post #4

It might be worth adding [2004] to the title? My wife and I were just in Warsaw for a few weeks, in the exact region he described, and we saw no signs of crime to speak of. We saw very few police out and about, just the occasional uniformed officer at a metro station.

Yeah, Vistula riverbanks are pretty safe nowadays as they've become Warsaw's 24/7 party boulevard.

About the police, as far as I remember, somewhere around 2003-2004 there was this huge push to keep uniformed policemen on the corners.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware of the connotation. I chose the name based on my favourite character in M A S H. HN offers no way of changing my name. Another basic life skill is asking rather than assuming.

Why would you want to change it?

Some view it as a racial slur.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#60

Krav Maga. First thing it teaches you is to stay away from areas where something like this is possible. The next thing they teach you is to run away. If you think you'll look like a coward, compare that feeling to having a knife in your arm. If none of that works out for you, they teach you how to defend yourself. Brutally. Even how to extricate your wrist or arm from a grab. Physical size and strength (yours and you…

I see this as a basic life skill

While self-defense is a useful skill, there isn't a good way to practice actual street fighting except to actually do it. (Martial arts sparring is not the same thing.) And, in street fights, even if you're skilled, you can die. So it's best to avoid the context in which those skills are gained.

The only sane option is to avoid street fights whenever possible.

Give the lessons some time and you should have enough to deal with multiple assailants, knife, stick and gun threats.

No martial art makes it safe to deal with a guy with a weapon. Even an idiot with a knife or a brick can get lucky. You're best off just not to carry a lot of money in unfamiliar places. If you're in a risky place, put a small amount of money in a decoy wallet (losing the cash isn't a big deal compared to losing ID, credit cards, passport) and, if you have them, some expired cards. Most robbers are junkies who don't care about the cards anyway, because you can't buy drugs with a card. Flash the bills (at least a couple of $20s preferably), chuck the wallet, and get the fuck out.

Likewise, with four assailants, no martial art is going to give you the upper hand. 4-on-1 is just a bad place to be. In the movies, putting serious hurt on one of them intimidates the other three and allows you to fight them (or chase them off) serially, Oldboy style. In real life, it doesn't usually work that way. They might run away, or they might get even more pissed off after you fuck up their friend. You're betting on 3 people all choosing "run away". Not great odds.

You're somewhat better off with the martial arts knowledge than without, and it probably gives you the upper hand in 1-on-1 when there is no weapon (even against a physically stronger opponent) but the thing about street fights is that you're making decisions in split seconds and you never know when a weapon will come out or friends will be called in. Again, even an idiot can get lucky and knock you out or kill you. With 4 people, it's even more likely that they'll continue to fuck you up after you're down.

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