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Re: List of Web Business Models

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Missing: all the service-based models? Success fee based, Time & Materials, Fixed Cost, etc...

Also missing:

Anything related to domain names ie - registration - aftermarket sales etc.

And also: - Web hosting - Blogging

I guess it also comes down to what you call a "business model".

Re: List of Web Business Models

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I was hoping for more fleshed-out examples of why the business models were good, but the list was interesting nonetheless. My two personal-favorite business models are (in no particular order): Tesla and Miley Cyrus. Tesla: evident if you're familiar with it ( http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-p... ) My interest in the Miley Cyrus model might need a little more explanation. Back a few months…

Are you purporting that Miley is currently popular because she's doing over the top things, despite her music not being good? If so, I don't think it's a correct assessment. Her music is ultimately popular because people like it. I don't think people think Wrecking Ball is a better song because the video was over-the-top, nor would a wild video make me like a song I would otherwise hate. Miley was also popular before…

It seems like some baseline talent is necessary to make the strategy work. I don't claim to have any ability to judge musical ability, plus it seems many artists aren't writing their own songs anyway, so I'm not trying to comment on her merits. Just noting that she's chosen to shift attention from her actual music to these antics, which is a strange choice from my perspective.

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post #27

I was hoping for more fleshed-out examples of why the business models were good, but the list was interesting nonetheless. My two personal-favorite business models are (in no particular order): Tesla and Miley Cyrus. Tesla: evident if you're familiar with it ( http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-p... ) My interest in the Miley Cyrus model might need a little more explanation. Back a few months…

I'm assuming the Rap Genius guys are following the Miley Cyrus model then.

I disagree. Even though Rap Genius has showcased plenty of what I like to call "douchey" behavior, in the end of the day they still make an awesome app that I and many others essentially need.

Re: List of Web Business Models

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post #3

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You could add some other exchanges to the P2P Gambling section. e.g. Betdaq http://www.betdaq.com

Can you describe the service? It’s blocked in my country, apparently.

They're a sports betting exchange, i.e. they connect users who want to make bets against eachother. They're headquartered in Dublin, and registered in Gibraltar. Their target audience appears to be the UK and Europe.

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you purporting that Miley is currently popular because she's doing over the top things, despite her music not being good? If so, I don't think it's a correct assessment. Her music is ultimately popular because people like it. I don't think people think Wrecking Ball is a better song because the video was over-the-top, nor would a wild video make me like a song I would otherwise hate. Miley was also popular before…

It seems like some baseline talent is necessary to make the strategy work. I don't claim to have any ability to judge musical ability, plus it seems many artists aren't writing their own songs anyway, so I'm not trying to comment on her merits. Just noting that she's chosen to shift attention from her actual music to these antics, which is a strange choice from my perspective.

I don't know if she's thinking of it this way, but one could look at her antics as a marketing strategy (cough cough growth hacking? cough cough). This is an old strategy that many others in the entertainment industry have tried with varying levels of success.

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I'm pretty sure with a father and godmother long timers in the music business, I'm pretty sure she knows what she's doing. For another take that confirms it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw

She definitely knows what she's doing. You can't go from that "Jolene" video you linked to sitting naked on a wrecking ball[0] in one year, by accident. The interesting thing is that she would choose deliberately to do that. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8 - note that this song has 20x more views

Yes, I think she needed to kill the Hanna Montana image.

And look! here we are, talking in "social media" about her... damn!

Re: List of Web Business Models

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post #52
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you purporting that Miley is currently popular because she's doing over the top things, despite her music not being good? If so, I don't think it's a correct assessment. Her music is ultimately popular because people like it. I don't think people think Wrecking Ball is a better song because the video was over-the-top, nor would a wild video make me like a song I would otherwise hate. Miley was also popular before…

It seems like some baseline talent is necessary to make the strategy work. I don't claim to have any ability to judge musical ability, plus it seems many artists aren't writing their own songs anyway, so I'm not trying to comment on her merits. Just noting that she's chosen to shift attention from her actual music to these antics, which is a strange choice from my perspective.

And thanks to autotune, the baseline is lower than you'd think.

These documentary clips about the "pop star formula" (boobs + hair + autotune + writing talent from elsewhere) are rather instructive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soNLWoSMy1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9tpOvYDqyo

(the 2nd clip about 1:30 applies the formula, humorously)

Re: List of Web Business Models

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post #27

I was hoping for more fleshed-out examples of why the business models were good, but the list was interesting nonetheless. My two personal-favorite business models are (in no particular order): Tesla and Miley Cyrus. Tesla: evident if you're familiar with it ( http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-p... ) My interest in the Miley Cyrus model might need a little more explanation. Back a few months…

Tesla Master Plan:

  Build sports car
  Use that money to build an affordable car
  Use that money to build an even more affordable car
  While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options
Thanks for the link, good reading.

Re: List of Web Business Models

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post #41
post #27

I was hoping for more fleshed-out examples of why the business models were good, but the list was interesting nonetheless. My two personal-favorite business models are (in no particular order): Tesla and Miley Cyrus. Tesla: evident if you're familiar with it ( http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-p... ) My interest in the Miley Cyrus model might need a little more explanation. Back a few months…

Are you purporting that Miley is currently popular because she's doing over the top things, despite her music not being good? If so, I don't think it's a correct assessment. Her music is ultimately popular because people like it. I don't think people think Wrecking Ball is a better song because the video was over-the-top, nor would a wild video make me like a song I would otherwise hate. Miley was also popular before…

>Her music is ultimately popular because people like it.

I don't think that this is actually true - most of these songs are purchased from agencies, produced to within an inch of their lives, and marketed aggressively in every possible medium. People may like the songs (and they should, because every part of the process has been managed by the most talented and successful people in the music industry), but that's not specifically the reason for Miley Cyrus's success.

Biley Papyrus could have the same songs in the same order on the same records with a sound produced to be indistinguishable to the versions you're familiar with, and if Biley didn't have the brand that has been created around Miley (or Rhianna, or any major corporate pop artist), Biley's success with that same set likely wouldn't be what Miley's success has been.

edit: Also - Smiley Papyrus (Biley's sister) could have the exact brand as Miley, and an entirely different set of songs, and the expectation would be that she would be successful. Hell, when Miley puts out her next album, she pretty much is Smiley.

Re: List of Web Business Models

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post #52
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you purporting that Miley is currently popular because she's doing over the top things, despite her music not being good? If so, I don't think it's a correct assessment. Her music is ultimately popular because people like it. I don't think people think Wrecking Ball is a better song because the video was over-the-top, nor would a wild video make me like a song I would otherwise hate. Miley was also popular before…

It seems like some baseline talent is necessary to make the strategy work. I don't claim to have any ability to judge musical ability, plus it seems many artists aren't writing their own songs anyway, so I'm not trying to comment on her merits. Just noting that she's chosen to shift attention from her actual music to these antics, which is a strange choice from my perspective.

Correct. A pop star needs a few ingredients:

* Have at least some baseline modicum of talent * Have access to talented songwriters * Have access to talented producers * Be attractive, or at least interesting to look at * Have a stage presence

Bonus points for: * Ability to dance * A salacious or intriguing "private" life

Many pop stars have singing talent in spades (Beyonce, Adele, Whitney Houston), but many others have proven that extraordinary singing talent is not a pre-requisite for enormous success (Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Miley Cyrus, perhaps Madonna).

I would say talent is less important now than ever. But this could be an illusion, as history is likely to forget pop stars who leave behind nothing memorable.

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