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Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by Mithaldu » Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 8:07 AM UTC

Jehar wrote: post #43

endgame wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Serious Sam games fit the DooM tradition, as well.

There is a critical gap between the sensibilities of Doom/Quake/Duke and Painkiller/Serious Sam: level flow. The latter camp is in varying degrees a series of rooms you get locked into as enemies spawn in waves. The former involves navigating a highly varied environment as you attract the attention of pre-existing enemies. Sure, on the avatar scale, they play at a similar level. The environments are what really set t…

Painkiller sometimes does that, but other times it gives you levels like Docks, where as much vertical traversal is expected as horizontal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0yJ2V41Jk

Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by wlesieutre » Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 1:12 PM UTC

RobotCaleb wrote: post #12

hnha wrote: post #2

[2010] but always nice to revisit

Not sure what you're implying.

It's helpful to have dates on things that aren't "news". If (for example) a doom-like game had become extremely popular in 2012, the [2010] tag would give readers more context so they know why it's not mentioned.

Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by Jehar » Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 3:18 PM UTC

Mithaldu wrote: post #51

Jehar wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a critical gap between the sensibilities of Doom/Quake/Duke and Painkiller/Serious Sam: level flow. The latter camp is in varying degrees a series of rooms you get locked into as enemies spawn in waves. The former involves navigating a highly varied environment as you attract the attention of pre-existing enemies. Sure, on the avatar scale, they play at a similar level. The environments are what really set t…

Painkiller sometimes does that, but other times it gives you levels like Docks, where as much vertical traversal is expected as horizontal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0yJ2V41Jk

I'll happily agree that Painkiller has some more variation then SS, but on the whole it's much more focused with wave-based arenas. This isn't a knock against Painkiller at all, it's a favorite of mine - yet it's still a bit inaccurate to regard it as classical level design.

Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by Mithaldu » Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 5:10 PM UTC

Jehar wrote: post #53

Mithaldu wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Painkiller sometimes does that, but other times it gives you levels like Docks, where as much vertical traversal is expected as horizontal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0yJ2V41Jk

I'll happily agree that Painkiller has some more variation then SS, but on the whole it's much more focused with wave-based arenas. This isn't a knock against Painkiller at all, it's a favorite of mine - yet it's still a bit inaccurate to regard it as classical level design.

Yeah, you're right. I went and watched the entire video and while they hide it well by having really big arenas, it's still just kill rooms.

Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by iwenteast » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 12:49 AM UTC

lobotryas wrote: post #48

Maakuth wrote: post #45

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Well, there was a definite rocker component to their actions, something possibly not compatible with the idea of programming idol. At least the number of times breaking keyboards was mentioned was quite high ;).

> compatible with the idea of programming idol I think I missed the meeting that established the criteria for a "programming idol" :P The guys back in the old id were rockstars - plain and simple. They were trailblazing an entire new industry and setting a lot of firsts. Now that the gaming industry is more "mature", the major players are more relaxed, trying to show their artistic side, and no one's smashing keyboar…

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Re: Coelacanth: Lessons from Doom (2010)

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Post by iwenteast » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 12:54 AM UTC

lobotryas wrote: post #48

Maakuth wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there was a definite rocker component to their actions, something possibly not compatible with the idea of programming idol. At least the number of times breaking keyboards was mentioned was quite high ;).

> compatible with the idea of programming idol I think I missed the meeting that established the criteria for a "programming idol" :P The guys back in the old id were rockstars - plain and simple. They were trailblazing an entire new industry and setting a lot of firsts. Now that the gaming industry is more "mature", the major players are more relaxed, trying to show their artistic side, and no one's smashing keyboar…

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