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Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) – Financial Services Annex

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Post by M2Ys4U »

tzs wrote: post #17
bediger4000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WHy do you say "must have secrets"? What part of "democracy" (or even "representative democracy", a republic perhaps) axiomatically requires secrets of any sort? Trade agreement negotiations almost axiomatically do not require secrets. If they're "negotiations" then everything ends up coming out in the wash, eh?

Without secrecy concerning the details during negotiation, it would be very very hard to make trade agreements. Negotiation involves a lot of give and take. If that was all public, then as soon as our negotiators conceded on, say, some term that was going to help our automobile industry in order to gain some term that will help our garment industry, there would be a huge outcry from the automobile industry, and soon…

The problem is that industry does have access to the negotiating documents. It's civil society that doesn't.

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

crdoconnor wrote: post #46
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are very few conspiracies, just confluences of self-interests. Newspapers are dying, but their original need - to publish what was originally hidden, to shine a light on government, still exists and seems to be well served by the Wikileaks core of true anonymity - and so faced with destruction I would expect some newspapers to morph into Wikileaks with a two hundred year track record. I am seeing this i…

It's not a conspiracy any more than the media being 98% fervently pro war in the run up to Iraq was a conspiracy. It's simply the combination of a dry (but fantastically important) subject and a high likelihood of making powerful enemies by reporting on it. These things won't stifle reporting on this leak entirely, but they will result in the reporting being significantly muted, conciliatory and perfunctory. E.g. lik…

Like right and wron I think we are looking at more greyed versions of conspiracy

- idealistic - will choose the "right path" as a differentiator or ethical choice

- conspiracy - consciously works with others for a purpose known to be wrong.

But inher wren those we have at least

- cock-up - whilst intentions are good the implementation fails

- head-in-sand - while the going is good and the consequences are not clear (but obviously not good) ignore and follow the common herd. This seems to be the majority of the financial crash, and is a regulatory fail not a conspiracy.

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