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Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

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Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#51
I'm not quite sure it's a URL shortener but http://linkis.com shortens the URL anyway (as ln.is). I never click a ln.is url anymore. It takes you to an intermediary page that only worsens your^H^H^H^H my life.

PS: Can anyone see what's the point of this service?

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#52
post #37

This scripts [1] searchs for links in the user timeline and replaces shortned URLs with the original (stored in the data-expanded-url attribute). [1] http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/186801

Userscripts has been down for months, as far as I know.

It can still be accessed on port 8080:

http://userscripts.org:8080/scripts/show/186801

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#53
post #7

Not all link shorteners are evil and are destroying the web. Here are some scenarios in which I like link shorteners: 1) Removal of the referrer (the anonymising redirect) 2) Redirects within a site when content moves, but the redirect service offers a permalink shortened URL. As only they can generate the URL you can trust that the destination is as safe as the source (the intra-site trusted redirect with vanity URL…

1, 3 and 4 almost never happen in real life. 2 is the only thing remotely useful.

#1 is done by pretty much any site that lets you display "third party" content where said third-party is untrusted. Such as most webmail providers, when loading remote images, and often for links too.

(but there's no reason to do shortening)

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#54

Why doesn't t.co (and, in fact, any URL shortener) follow the redirect chain first, before shortening the URL?

The only real complaint in the article seems to be the redirect chain and your suggestion would solve it. I'm working on a URL shortener (for universities) at the moment and I see no reason not to implement this.

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#55
post #26

My favourite link shortener was mug.gd, which could also manipulate the page it was being sent. I remember seeing a version of a PG essay trumpeting the benefits of learning Visual Basic over Lisp :). It's dead now, demonstrating another problem with URL shorteners.

A problem with 3rd party URL shorteners.

If you use and host your own, you've got things covered for as long as you need.

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#56
Long URLs hurt the user experience and destroy the Web.

If I want to send you a link to a washingtonpost.com article the link looks like:http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-jr-the-root...

The same url could just as easily be user readable, and something that I could tell me office-mate verbally from 10 feet away. Most people just expect bad URLs now and have given up trying to remember the name of the page they want to see. I used to love NBC.com because they would let me type things like nbc.com/parks to get to http://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation, but that is no longer true. Now everyone just assumes that they need to google something to find it, and they can't even imagine that apple.com/ipad would be the page they are looking for.

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#57
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Userscripts has been down for months, as far as I know.

It can still be accessed on port 8080: http://userscripts.org:8080/scripts/show/186801

Good to know, thanks. Sorry to see it go that spammy route.

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#58
If I have to repost content that contained shortened links, I always replace them with what they redirect to, and scrub out what's unneeded (e.g. session IDs, referer querystrings). I wish more people would do this, as it will help in reducing the amount of nested redirections. IMHO link shorteners are only for extremely space-constrained applications like Twitter.

As for some sites having extremely long required URLs: Sometimes they are necessary, e.g. parametric searches, but many other times they could've been better designed to be either shorter or more informative. Whatever the form, I don't think link shorteners should be used to hide them, if there is enough space available to hold the full URL.

Re: Link shorteners hurt the user experience and destroy the Web

#60

Why doesn't t.co (and, in fact, any URL shortener) follow the redirect chain first, before shortening the URL?

Consider what happens when someone decides to give it a URL that redirects infinitely -- it is possible to make an infinite loop, as someone demonstrated 4 years ago while also complaining about URL shorteners:

http://breakingcode.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/having-fun-with...

(The infinite loop in that example unfortunately seems to have broken, illustrating another downside to URL shorteners - they can go away rather quickly.)

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