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A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Who are RapGenius' investors? Who is bankrolling these people?

And Y Combinator.

Wasn't Rap Genius already pretty well-known before they were accepted into YC? You could do a site that annotated sheet music for Polka tunes, or annotated cat pictures with more different cat pictures, and YC would still probably accept you if your traction looked like the first few years of RG's.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

#52

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Andreessen Horowitz, to the tune of $15M. Rap Genius was also a part of YC S11. http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/03/andreessen-horowitz-iinvest... http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/rap-genius

The same people who bankroll(ed) GitHub. This is my shocked face.

Yes, both Github and Rap Genius are obviously utterly evil corporations and the source of their connection, which is also the sole source of their existence, must necessarily have spawned their evilness.

Downvoted for at least a triple non sequitur and not adding anything on topic, except for an attempt to derail it into yet another discussion about the thing that must not be.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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I wish they had they shown the annotations that caused the firing. The Valleywag link elsewhere has one screenshot, but other than being in poor taste I'm not sure why this rates a firing/step down.

It's about context: the annotations were glorifying a manifesto that was the prelude to mass murder .

So, some parts clearly were, right, complimenting the writing style and whatnot (which, honestly, wasn't great, but whatever)?

That comment about his sister I viewed more as teasing/disparaging the author--your mileage may vary.

Reading a bit more about the dude from Rapgenius, though, he seems like kind of a gangsta-wannabe tool.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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post #34
post #33

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"It's long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy." That's exactly why it should be studied.

I'm not suggesting it not be studied.

You do seem to be suggesting it not be hosted on RG, which lends itself as a convenient place for public study/annotation/debate.

I agree that the quality of the annotations and conversation is likely to be low.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not suggesting it not be studied.

You do seem to be suggesting it not be hosted on RG, which lends itself as a convenient place for public study/annotation/debate. I agree that the quality of the annotations and conversation is likely to be low.

Yes.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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post #45

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As someone who was on the forums when the decision was made, I can give you some of the background. Last February, News Genius transcribed and annotated the Dorner manifesto, and got a lot of positive press. You can see the page at http://news.rapgenius.com/Christopher-dorner-manifesto-annot... and the press from Forbes at http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/02/13/christoph... The thought was very similar in…

There was a lot of confused attention surrounding the Dorner incident, in which a disgruntled former LAPD officer rationalized his carefully-planned stalking and murder of the daughter of an LAPD captain who had been partially responsible for his termination. Part of that attention was due to a Rambo narrative that accompanied Dorner due to his military experience and the fashion in which he was (briefly) believed to…

I also agree that the annotations on the Dorner manifesto don't show NG at its best. I wasn't around at the time, but News Genius as a brand was just finding its feet, and you'll see examples of both great and terrible annotations on it. For example, http://news.rapgenius.com/1489298 is a great annotation, and perfectly epitomizes what News Genius tries to be—objective annotations on the news, highlighting facts.

But no, we didn't do a good job with the Dorner manifesto, as a whole. Part of that is due to the level of quality increase that the site has seen since then, but maybe part of that should have been a warning.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

#57
post #31

I can appreciate RG's leadership having the self-awareness to see the need to make an Adult Decision in this case, but I think it's probably a mistake for them to continue hosting the Rodgers diary. Contrary to Moghadam's comments, the diary is not particularly well-written. It's long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy. RG's style of ann…

You should read "Without Conscience" by Dr. Robert D. Hare. He has been studying psychopaths for decades, and gives a detailed overview of what they are like. Everyone is falsely claiming that Elliot Rodger was a psychopath. He was not. Psychopathy consists of a collection of particular traits together, and while he has a few of them, he does not have the correct combination.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

#58
post #31

I can appreciate RG's leadership having the self-awareness to see the need to make an Adult Decision in this case, but I think it's probably a mistake for them to continue hosting the Rodgers diary. Contrary to Moghadam's comments, the diary is not particularly well-written. It's long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy. RG's style of ann…

Kind of off-topic to your point, but I found it interesting that he got so detailed about things he is unlikely to remember (his birth, meals on very young birthdays) but there are a lot of verifiable things he got wrong in the timeline (he claimed Finding Memo was being played on TV in 2001, or that Xbox 360 was brand new in 2007). All of this is written very confidently.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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post #50

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The same people who bankroll(ed) GitHub. This is my shocked face.

That is a tired, cheap, superficial point that is beneath this site. If you want to build a case against valley startup culture --- and there sure are cases to be made --- try to do it without creating a caricature of everyone else who has concerns as well.

"Not all VC's."

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a lot of confused attention surrounding the Dorner incident, in which a disgruntled former LAPD officer rationalized his carefully-planned stalking and murder of the daughter of an LAPD captain who had been partially responsible for his termination. Part of that attention was due to a Rambo narrative that accompanied Dorner due to his military experience and the fashion in which he was (briefly) believed to…

I also agree that the annotations on the Dorner manifesto don't show NG at its best. I wasn't around at the time, but News Genius as a brand was just finding its feet, and you'll see examples of both great and terrible annotations on it. For example, http://news.rapgenius.com/1489298 is a great annotation, and perfectly epitomizes what News Genius tries to be—objective annotations on the news, highlighting facts. But…

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