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Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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He has a good point .. why is it "Search Google" .. the internet isn't Google, last I checked anyway.

Because companies look for opportunities to refer to and reinforce their brand. Exactly as you would if you'd built a browser.

It's natural for companies to do this, but also natural for people to be wary of them when they do so.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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I still think this is terrible. It flies against the principles of HATEOS, we have a design idiom that web developers /should/ be following to show us precisely where we are and what is happening in a website, why would we want to lose all of that information. I would be very unhappy if they removed the option to disable this from chrome, almost to the point that I'd consider changing browsers (and I like chrome...)…

I'd argue that this supports the principles of HATEOS by only revealing the entry point URL, and letting the rest of the state of the system evolve from that point without bothering the user with the noise of intermediate details.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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I observed a bunch of high-schoolers using the web. They go to Google to visit a site. They don't type URLs. They go to google.com, enter "Facebook" and click on the 1st result. Remember the Facebook Login fiasco? http://readwrite.com/2010/02/11/how_google_failed_internet_m... Google showed this post when people searched for "Facebook Login": http://readwrite.com/2010/02/10/facebook_wants_to_be_your_on...

I do the same thing, and high school was long time ago for me.

As for typing URLs, I do that, too, but autocompletion takes over after one or two characters. E.g., 'ne' suffices to get me to the HN front page. Navigation for me is pretty much all search or autocomplete, followed by normal link following. Except for a couple of bookmarklets, I do not use bookmarks. Back in the nineties, I used bookmarks a lot.

Once in a while, I will manually change a URL already in the location bar or paste one in and modify it.

However, I do look at URLs a lot. They often provide valuable navigational clues. And I appreciate well-structured URLs, such as the readwrite.com ones you posted, and I scorn the opaque numerical messes that some content management systems generate. I agree with the article.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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I hope I can always get access to the URL. I frequently have to switch the 'smart' geo tracking language selection in the querystring from de-DE that some shortsighted developer thought meant Germany === German to en-US or en-GB. I'm looking at you Google as the worst offender. I swear that some developers have never left the US. Geo location != preferred language. Accept-Language header in my browser is telling you…

Try https://www.google.com/ncr (no country redirect)

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is like the browser saying "Starbucks" rather than "Starbucks, 3-1202 21st E, Falseville BC". Is it? What if "Starbucks" were your bank? What if you knew that apart from your bank there's non-bank entities mimicking your bank's looks in an effort to get your personal information? Would location still be irrelevant?

No one is mimicking your bank by putting the info to the right of the domain name. They mimick the look of the bank and pick a domain like your.bankofamerica.getreadygo.com

A few years ago I got an email advising me my account had been compromised, and I needed to follow a link to get the matter resolved.

Mousing over the link, I saw https://www.bankofamerica.com/[lots of gobbledygook followed by an ellipsis]. So, to see it all, I copied it to the pasteboard and pbpasted it into an open Terminal window. The gobbledygook ended with an @-sign and a domain that resolved to a Chinese IP.

About the @-sign syntax: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4981309/315083

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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I observed a bunch of high-schoolers using the web. They go to Google to visit a site. They don't type URLs. They go to google.com, enter "Facebook" and click on the 1st result. Remember the Facebook Login fiasco? http://readwrite.com/2010/02/11/how_google_failed_internet_m... Google showed this post when people searched for "Facebook Login": http://readwrite.com/2010/02/10/facebook_wants_to_be_your_on...

I do the same thing, and high school was long time ago for me. As for typing URLs, I do that, too, but autocompletion takes over after one or two characters. E.g., 'ne' suffices to get me to the HN front page. Navigation for me is pretty much all search or autocomplete, followed by normal link following. Except for a couple of bookmarklets, I do not use bookmarks. Back in the nineties, I used bookmarks a lot. Once in…

The only thing I still use bookmarks for are saving and ordering of web development libraries and tools. Otherwise I would be unable to find that one specific slider that would be perfect for this specific use.

I still need to open source that collection, because it's huge and has been super useful for me. I'm just not entirely sure what the best way would be.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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Hiding the URL is a natural step on the way to total TV-fication of the web.

People search for "facebook" on Google in order to log on to Facebook because it works, and they are not interested in learning a more efficient way, because they are not interested in learning anything, they want to go to Facebook.

URLs look like math formulas, and who cares about that except some geeks? Math is hard, let's go shopping.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The accept-language header is dead. It's simply ignored by every site. Some crappy sites like Origin even make it impossible to set the language to anything but German even by changing the URL directly. Google took years to even allow me to manually set everything to English, until about 1-2 years ago some settings were impossible for me to reach in English even when everything was set to English. It's just like with…

Geo-location by IP is one of most horrid abomination ever created. Try a road trip in Europe, every single day google believes I speak/read/understand a different language. If that's not bad enough, living in a country where one doesn't speak the local language basically means not using the service. Stuff like .../?hl=en may help indeed (but it has to be put manually.

I am unable to recreate this problem.

My Firefox sends the following Accept-Language: "en-us,en;q=0.8,sv-se;q=0.5,sv;q=0.3".

When I go to Google.com in a new private browsing context, I am redirected to Google.se with English language. When I go straight to Google.se in a new private browsing context, the page is in English.

Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful

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I observed a bunch of high-schoolers using the web. They go to Google to visit a site. They don't type URLs. They go to google.com, enter "Facebook" and click on the 1st result. Remember the Facebook Login fiasco? http://readwrite.com/2010/02/11/how_google_failed_internet_m... Google showed this post when people searched for "Facebook Login": http://readwrite.com/2010/02/10/facebook_wants_to_be_your_on...

...and that's because they are fucking stupid. You know what I recently observed? A bunch of kindergarteners fastening their shoes to their feet with velcro straps. Their shoes also had little blinky lights on them, so that cars don't run them over, when they chase a soccer ball into the street. Let make all the adults wear velcro shoes with blinky lights on them too.

I started using velcro-fastening shoes when I had a mild stroke that prevented me from tying laces. Now, I continue to use them because (1) they are very convenient and easy to adjust, and (2) I go dancing a lot and find them easier to switch to my dancing shoes.

Considering how often I have to retie the laces while dancing, I would definitely consider getting dancing shoes with velcro.

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