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The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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I am curious to hear your thoughts on which sportsperson is a more appropriate analogy?

Eddy Merckx?

My friend just got to ride with and photograph Eddy: http://pelotonmagazine.com/shutter/flanders-dispatch-day-one...

The guy's still going strong.

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Because there's no money in juggling?

There certainly is some money in juggling. The article mentioned 50k starting salary at cirque du soleil. But maybe working in concrete lets him spend more time with his family for roughly the same amount of money (or more).

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Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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I'm not ashamed to admit I had to look up Donald Bradman. Cricket? That's the analogy you went with? :-)

I had to look him up to, but once I found this, I understood why he went with Donald Bradman over Pele or Jordan or Ali. http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-most-remarkable-graph-in-...

I assume OP is from the commonwealth. Don Bradman is a household name here

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Great article but it makes no mention of Michael Moschen, who many (including me) consider the best & most creative juggler in the world. Here are some mind-blowing physics that I think the HN community, in particular, would enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjHoedoSUXY He's also well-known for "contact juggling," where the balls don't leave the hands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTb8tga-yg

Ah - I do love a good contact juggling routine. I got to see this guy at the buskers festival in Christchurch NZ. They gave permission to reproduce one of their promo videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_I2YILI2o

You might enjoy too :)

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Speaking as a juggler: I've seen Gatto in performance (in Kooza in 2008); he's every bit as good as the article says. I've also seen (and met) many other top jugglers. And yet, to be honest, while I appreciate the talent and skill required to do the kinds of numbers and moves Gatto does, and even though I understand the difficulty of pulling off, e.g., 7 clubs or 7-ball 5-up 360s or 6-club backcrosses — I find this t…

As a fellow juggler (well, former, I don't really juggle much these days) I agree. I find Gatto amazing in the same way other world record breakers are amazing, but apart from going "wow" it didn't feel inspiring to me as a juggler.

OTOH, there are world-class jugglers who go in different directions and do feel inspiring. I remember when I was starting out, this group with Jay Gilligan, Ville Walo and some other Finnish guy I forgot the name of had a VHS you could order over the 'net which was just unlike anything we'd seen. They were good technically, e.g. no problem with 5 clubs, but they also kept inventing new tricks and new ways of using objects instead of just going for more objects. I can't find any clips from that video[1], but there's some newer stuff from Jay and Ville on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w-WsyPeLEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQJ4Q0SdJDo

[1] which started out with them pouring a bunch of meat and such into a jar and slurping it down, probably a joke at the large percentage of vegetarians at juggling conventions

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Great article but it makes no mention of Michael Moschen, who many (including me) consider the best & most creative juggler in the world. Here are some mind-blowing physics that I think the HN community, in particular, would enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjHoedoSUXY He's also well-known for "contact juggling," where the balls don't leave the hands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTb8tga-yg

BTW, if you remember the crystal ball contact juggling that David Bowie does in Labyrinth, that was Moschen.

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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Speaking as a juggler: I've seen Gatto in performance (in Kooza in 2008); he's every bit as good as the article says. I've also seen (and met) many other top jugglers. And yet, to be honest, while I appreciate the talent and skill required to do the kinds of numbers and moves Gatto does, and even though I understand the difficulty of pulling off, e.g., 7 clubs or 7-ball 5-up 360s or 6-club backcrosses — I find this t…

As a fellow juggler (well, former, I don't really juggle much these days) I agree. I find Gatto amazing in the same way other world record breakers are amazing, but apart from going "wow" it didn't feel inspiring to me as a juggler. OTOH, there are world-class jugglers who go in different directions and do feel inspiring. I remember when I was starting out, this group with Jay Gilligan, Ville Walo and some other Finn…

Apropos, from the Vova article: "These kids are changing the face of juggling, evolving a culture whose values — speed, numbers, athleticism, technique — are distinct from the traditional juggling values of balance, expression and showmanship."

I would say the Walo/Gilligan stuff is a third kind, where creativity the main value.

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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That's probably the most insightful view going - I was simply thinking of him as yet another construction guy. But add that to his story / marketing / brand and ... I will pay extra for the proof of a guy willing to be painstaking to achieve excellence. Given my current troubles with builders, this is a 2x pricing opportunity for him - quite seriously

The company site has zero reference to his past and is registered under his birth name(different from his stage name), so I don't think that's a card he plans on playing. Do you think he could really have an opportunity to receive 2x pricing? I think there might be a certain opportunity in illustrating the novelty of his past somewhere on the site, but I honestly don't believe most consumers(even for something large…

It brings to mind Dean Ween, who has been concentrating on his fishing tour business since Ween broke up. He doesn't mention his stage name on his fishing site, though he says that he has a lot of fans hiring him and they spend too much time asking about the band when they should be concentrating on fishing. I think he's more interested in having something unrelated to touring than maximizing revenue though.

http://www.mickeysfishing.com http://www.askdeaner.com

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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I'm not ashamed to admit I had to look up Donald Bradman. Cricket? That's the analogy you went with? :-)

I had to look him up to, but once I found this, I understood why he went with Donald Bradman over Pele or Jordan or Ali. http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/the-most-remarkable-graph-in-...

That graph is something else. Interestingly if you saw that for an athlete today, how many people wouldn't automatically assume drug use?

Re: The greatest juggler alive quit to open a construction business

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post #29

Great article but it makes no mention of Michael Moschen, who many (including me) consider the best & most creative juggler in the world. Here are some mind-blowing physics that I think the HN community, in particular, would enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjHoedoSUXY He's also well-known for "contact juggling," where the balls don't leave the hands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTb8tga-yg

It's easy to underestimate the precision necessary for those bounce throws.

It's even easier to think juggling is about catching, while it is entirely about throwing.
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