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Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

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Many replies here try to dispute the methodology and UX in the survey. When it comes to geography, you either know it, or you don't. The distance from Ukraine for many data points is so big, that you can't possibly write it down to projection/UX.

I can't even find the survey methodology. Where is it?

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

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This seems to be a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: the people who know least are the most willing to take action, because their ignorance blinds them to the impracticality and potential consequences of that action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

It's also a dead ringer for all the stereotypes about gung-ho ignorants taking all their views and opinions from the talk show ideologue du jour.

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

#53

This seems to be a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: the people who know least are the most willing to take action, because their ignorance blinds them to the impracticality and potential consequences of that action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

COuld simply be that the ignorant/dumb are more likely to react favorably to propaganda.

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

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How did they ask people to locate Ukraine? Some of these points look like somebody accidentally clicked on a random spot of a map. For example, the dot below New Zealand is in the middle of the ocean (approx. -55.000000,176.000000). Some even located it within the US (Florida seems to be a popular guess). Have they found really misinformed people or is this noise in the data?

I think the real outlier dots are "I give up, so I'll just click whatever."

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

#55
post #41

How did they ask people to locate Ukraine? Some of these points look like somebody accidentally clicked on a random spot of a map. For example, the dot below New Zealand is in the middle of the ocean (approx. -55.000000,176.000000). Some even located it within the US (Florida seems to be a popular guess). Have they found really misinformed people or is this noise in the data?

There seems to be a sharp drop-off line running north/south just west of Mongolia & east of Novosibirsk. I wonder if that is from a side-scrolling artifact or drag/drop interface in the sampling (wild speculation there) or from an unconscious pruning algorithm, among people who are unaware of Ukraine's proximity to the Black Sea, roughly: "hmmh, Ukraine, medium-to-small country, former Soviet, I'll look further east,…

It's interesting how many wrong clicks are piled up in the general region north of India / east of China. In other words, where any marginally informed person would think is an area of unrest and trouble.

Kazakhstan seems to be an attractor, probably because it's so big.

"Hmmm, so Afghanistan is in that general area, and it's a troubled country, so therefore Ukraine must be thereabouts also."

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

#56
post #16

Many replies here try to dispute the methodology and UX in the survey. When it comes to geography, you either know it, or you don't. The distance from Ukraine for many data points is so big, that you can't possibly write it down to projection/UX.

The UX certainly doesn't help! I've been to Russia and Ukraine several times. I can easily point out Ukraine on a normal map but I must admit that single colored map is a bit confusing.

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

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post #16

Many replies here try to dispute the methodology and UX in the survey. When it comes to geography, you either know it, or you don't. The distance from Ukraine for many data points is so big, that you can't possibly write it down to projection/UX.

The UX certainly doesn't help! I've been to Russia and Ukraine several times. I can easily point out Ukraine on a normal map but I must admit that single colored map is a bit confusing.

Normal maps tell you where Ukraine is :)

Re: The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want ...

#60
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would correlate with 'I have no idea what I'm doing' "In general, younger Americans tended to provide more accurate responses than their older counterparts: 27 percent of 18-24 year olds correctly identified Ukraine, compared with 14 percent of 65+ year-olds." 65+ year olds spent a big chunk of their lives in the cold war. Presumably they would know more about the geographical breakup of the Soviet Union than 18…

No, people who were in primary school before the breakup of the Soviet Union would probably have never seen the Ukraine on a map, since all they would see is a big red area labeled "Soviet Union". I doubt Soviet internal geography & politics were taught regularly. Younger people may not even know that the Soviet Union ever existed, but they have a much better chance of seeing Ukraine on a map in school.

Yup. No Ukraine on my globe as a kid in the 80s, just "U.S.S.R.".
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