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Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Was it ever in doubt that the USA is the best place to start a business? America is no. 14 on the list of best countries to start a business in. http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

Denmark is considered one of the best places to start a company, but that is based on the bureaucratic burden of starting a company. It is a very different thing to actually scale that company to any significant size there. The metrics used to measure these things are fundamentally flawed as they look at the institutional side of things not on the reality that is running a business and growing a company.

It is a very different thing to actually scale that company to any significant size there.

Yet, Danish companies like Lego, Carlsberg and Maersk (whose subunit Maersk Line in itself is the largest company of its kind in the world) seem to be doing fine.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Denmark is considered one of the best places to start a company, but that is based on the bureaucratic burden of starting a company. It is a very different thing to actually scale that company to any significant size there. The metrics used to measure these things are fundamentally flawed as they look at the institutional side of things not on the reality that is running a business and growing a company.

It is a very different thing to actually scale that company to any significant size there. Yet, Danish companies like Lego, Carlsberg and Maersk (whose subunit Maersk Line in itself is the largest company of its kind in the world) seem to be doing fine.

they are old companies, we are talking getting it of the ground not old industries made in very different times

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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I agree with you; tech hubs are extremely important, which is where Europe seems to be lagging behind. I just think the reason they ARE lagging behind is because US is considered the default country to go for starting a business, without second thought. EDIT:I should probably clarify - I meant the US is viewed as the best, hypothetically, not necessarily implying action.

The idea that Europeans uproot their families and move to the US without a second thought is quite unlikely. Edit: changed to unlikely.

Ludicrous is the wrong word. The decision to move to the US might be rational (I sure think it is), or, like lots of other things people do when they start businesses, it might be irrational. Reasonable people could debate this without mocking each other, right?

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Was it ever in doubt that the USA is the best place to start a business? America is no. 14 on the list of best countries to start a business in. http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

You need to be a little careful with these rankings, because they're subjective. Forbes, for instance, drastically prioritizes taxes for its rankings. The corporate tax rate in the US is higher than that of Ireland, and (as Forbes summary straightforwardly admits) that pushes the US down in the rankings. For a startup, there are significantly more important factors to consider than the corporate tax rate, not least b…

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Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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Was it ever in doubt that the USA is the best place to start a business? America is no. 14 on the list of best countries to start a business in. http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

You need to be a little careful with these rankings, because they're subjective. Forbes, for instance, drastically prioritizes taxes for its rankings. The corporate tax rate in the US is higher than that of Ireland, and (as Forbes summary straightforwardly admits) that pushes the US down in the rankings. For a startup, there are significantly more important factors to consider than the corporate tax rate, not least b…

To add to your point on equities markets: Baidu went public on the NASDAQ[0], and Alibaba is considering doing the same[1].

0. http://ir.baidu.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=188488&p=irol-faq_pf#261...

1. http://www.nasdaq.com/article/alibaba-considers-ipo-in-us-an...

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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You mister read that : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare and then do more search on the internet about how USA are basically forcing everybody to buy oil in $$. At least russia doesnt force other nations to trade gaz in rubs. So yeah,russia is evil , but USA are even more evil. EDIT: downvote me all you want it's not just a conspiracy theory,that's a fact,but since we are on a pro american board, i did…

The article refers to "petrodollar warfare hypothesis". It doesn't provide any proof. In particular it doesn't prove any of the "forcing" that you refer to.

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Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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This kinda puts Telegraph project in a different light, doesn't it?

A worse light, perhaps? Telegram sells snake oil and ignores security recommendations while billing itself as secure. They may only be "saved" because they actually believe what they're selling (although they shouldn't after being shot down so quickly).

Snap out of that mindless Telegram bashing loop, will you?

If anything, this CEO departure only shows that HN got the motivation for Telegram completely wrong. The assumption behind that gang up was that Telegram was trying to sabotage online privacy, because what else a Facebook-like entity may be doing in the domain of secure communications. Guess what? There was more to the picture than met the eye.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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The seriousness of the conflict depends on where you get your information, sadly. The situation geopolitically seems pretty simple, in broad strokes. Too bad there's unfounded scaremongering on both sides(or should I say 3 or 4 sides).

It more seems that the seriousness of the conflict depends on whether you see this as an isolated incident (which just happens to be the worst violation of territorial integrity in Europe since WWII) or as yet another indicator that the exact same social dynamics that led us to WWII in the first place are intensifying significantly. I'm curious as to what your take on this is then though ...

   which just happens to be the worst violation of 
   territorial integrity in Europe since WWII
sure,but it's not like Kosovo ever happened... oh wait,NATO was on board with this...

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it ever in doubt that the USA is the best place to start a business? America is no. 14 on the list of best countries to start a business in. http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

You need to be a little careful with these rankings, because they're subjective. Forbes, for instance, drastically prioritizes taxes for its rankings. The corporate tax rate in the US is higher than that of Ireland, and (as Forbes summary straightforwardly admits) that pushes the US down in the rankings. For a startup, there are significantly more important factors to consider than the corporate tax rate, not least b…

The US is probably not the best place in the world to start a company. Forbes and the World Bank agree that Hong Kong and New Zealand are better.

What's (also) interesting about this short-list is a strong historical British influence.

Re: Pavel Durov quits as VKontakte CEO

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For those who don't know what VKontakte is (I didn't), it is the biggest social network after Facebook with "over 100 million active users" according to vk.com, which they own. More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_(social_network)

Minor nit, but your linked reference notes:

[VK] is 8th most popular social networking site in the world

http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/social-networking-websites

[This list itself may be open to question, however. See for example some major exclusions:

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-quick-guide-to-chinas-socia...]

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