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So if you don't control, say, your family they are not your family?
I believe he was talking about possessions. You don't own humans.
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How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff
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Would you please zip content of your hard-drive and uploaded it on dropbox? Also give me password from your gmail. I want to check if there is no illegal copy of my work in there.
No one is reading people's hard drives or gmail. They are comparing shared files, on their servers, against a hash of commonly pirated files. You are exhibiting the behavior parent comment was complaining about.
Who says I would be reading it? I will just compare all that content with my hash checker, and delete all illegal stuff. Do not worry I use ultra strong 8 bit hash :-)
It is user who has to deal with blocking, false positives and other negative externalities of this. Copyright holders are just passing on their costs to entire society.
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#53I've seen a lot of outrage about this on Twitter, what annoys me most is that these people who are outraged for the most part consider piracy to be acceptable. Then when a company tries to enforce copyright law and protect the rights of the content owners they go on a tirade that their personal privacy is being breached. I know that the rights holders haven't been blameless in their history but piracy is still wrong…
I'm very strongly anti-pirate and very strongly anti-dropboox snooping. It's quite possible to be both.
Are you strongly against dropbox hashing files you have shared and comparing them against a known blacklist?
Re: How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff
#54Yet another reason not to use cloud services. For start dropbox is infrastructure provider and they have no right to snoop inside your files. If they start blocking stuff at their own will they are judge and executor. Secondly there is lot of potential for abuse. Hacker could sneak hash collision into their database and essentially censor-ship any document he wants. And finally I do not understand why there has to be…
You clearly didn't read the article. It only applies to sharing files, not storing them. All of your arguments do not apply to shared files.
It makes sense that Dropbox wants to avoid the popularity that would come from being an easy way to distribute unauthorized content.
However, takedown notices have been abused on YouTube to censor criticism, and dishonestly claim ownership. The problem could be even worse if what it covered wasn't limited to when links are posted publicly, but also covered shares between family members, colleagues, and friends.
While distributing backups from your DVD collection to a colleague may not make sense, and that isn't much better than posting public links, qwerta has a point when it comes to the potential for someone unethical to abuse the system.
I appreciate the challenges Dropbox faces with respect to copyright, and that it is easier to focus on making a viable business if a broad policy wastes less of their time on the issue. However, it's also a complicated when you've given a service read/write access to your hard drive—not necessarily because its reasonable to assume that Dropbox would take a legal risk like proactively deleting content on your computer, but because it's almost an unreasonable amount of trust you're granting them in the first place.
Anyway, maybe you meant, "Not all of your arguments apply to shared files."
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
"For start dropbox is infrastructure provider and they have no right to snoop inside your files." Uh sure they do. Both legally and morally. It's their servers! Their right to snoop files stored on their servers is quite strong. Your right to store files on someone else's servers is zero. If you would like to pay someone to store your stuff on their servers that is a business deal which can be arranged and the fine p…
But it is not their data...
If you don't want someone looking at your data then you probably shouldn't store it on their servers. Especially when the contract you entered with that person says they they can snoop the data.
You could try negotiating a contract that says you can store your data on their servers but they aren't allowed to look at that data under any circumstances ever.
There are a variety of Dropbox competitors that focus on letting you run the server so you can control the data. If data privacy is of maximum concern, and that is a legitimate thing to be concerned about, then I'd recommend one of those options.
Re: How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff
#56I've seen a lot of outrage about this on Twitter, what annoys me most is that these people who are outraged for the most part consider piracy to be acceptable. Then when a company tries to enforce copyright law and protect the rights of the content owners they go on a tirade that their personal privacy is being breached. I know that the rights holders haven't been blameless in their history but piracy is still wrong…
It's wrong? Who says? Why? Because it is illegal? Was slavery OK when it was legal? Is capital punishment? Smoking pot? If you mean we shouldn't do it because it is illegal, that's fine, although personally I don't find that a compelling reason. I think some people here think maybe the copyright laws should be different then they are. Said that way, it isn't unreasonable opinion, compared to "OMG! You think piracy is…
Yes, it's wrong. If the creators wanted people to share their work for free, they could allow it. Furthermore, it's their server, they can forbid it if they want, even if it was legal.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is reading people's hard drives or gmail. They are comparing shared files, on their servers, against a hash of commonly pirated files. You are exhibiting the behavior parent comment was complaining about.
Who says I would be reading it? I will just compare all that content with my hash checker, and delete all illegal stuff. Do not worry I use ultra strong 8 bit hash :-) It is user who has to deal with blocking, false positives and other negative externalities of this. Copyright holders are just passing on their costs to entire society.
What costs? That you can't share pirated movies over dropbox? Big deal.
Funny speaking about externalities on copyright. The entire purpose is to get rid of externalities.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm very strongly anti-pirate and very strongly anti-dropboox snooping. It's quite possible to be both.
Are you strongly against dropbox hashing files you have shared and comparing them against a known blacklist?
Yes. That's snooping. They're actively looking at what I store with them.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's wrong? Who says? Why? Because it is illegal? Was slavery OK when it was legal? Is capital punishment? Smoking pot? If you mean we shouldn't do it because it is illegal, that's fine, although personally I don't find that a compelling reason. I think some people here think maybe the copyright laws should be different then they are. Said that way, it isn't unreasonable opinion, compared to "OMG! You think piracy is…
Yes, it's wrong. If the creators wanted people to share their work for free, they could allow it. Furthermore, it's their server, they can forbid it if they want, even if it was legal.
Of course, I see now. It's wrong. Houshalter says. I'm genuinely confused about the pot thing. Can you clear that one up for me, too?
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It does apply, there is no evidence that receiver does not have a valid license. It could be even the same person using two accounts. By this logic we should shutdown Github and SourceForge, until we "clear up some legal stuff".
I agree with you that there are cases in which Dropbox might pick up false positives. I think the DMCA should be updated with harsher penalties for improper takedown requests ("copyfraud"). Still, the policy Dropbox has seems pretty reasonable. And you can always choose to encrypt your files locally or even not use Dropbox. After all, it's a company competing in a relatively free market. But I think for most people D…
I agree their policy is reasonable for filesharing service.. But it makes dropbox useless for me as backup storage or hosting provider. I would not trust filesystem or provider which randomly deletes/blocks my data.