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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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So it is pronounced "ga-nome" and not "nome"? Interesting. It looks good too, I like the way modals open from a thin line to its full size.

Yep, just like GNU: https://www.gnu.org/pronunciation/pronunciation.html

Even though I'm fully aware of the 'correct' pronunciations, my preference for "Gee Enn You" and "Nome" is too strong. The standard way of pronouncing those is too cacophonous for me.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?). On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the h…

It's also worth mentioning that this behavior exists on OS X as well.

And also on Unity (if you're into that).

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I love Gnome, and it just keeps improving. It's got some annoying issues, such as when the designers decide to willy-nilly drop important features inbetween releases (like the Ethernet connection indicator, and the backtracking in gparted), but it's been great otherwise. A genuinely good desktop manager for linux.

When GNOME 3 came out, I was upset and hated it. Then I moved on to running i3 without a DE and I don't think I am using a DE again. It's surprising how little features of a DE I need. Right now, I have nothing that requires a DE.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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If you want a stable distro, then obviously Arch Linux isn't for you. I use Debian for production machines (ie. work laptops). This is pretty much what everyone recommends re Arch.

I've had a lot of people use Manjaro and not run into issue. Packages are staggered enough that any bugs are usually found and sorted in the ~3 months between releases, but you never get into the Ubuntu 12.04 problem of "oh shit my system is so outdated everything will break if I dist-upgrade". Debian testing is also similar.

The problem with Manjaro package staggering is that it's based on fortune. The Manjaro team as far as I know does not maintain any packages not specific to Manjaro. After using Manjaro on my laptop for the better part of a year and running into lots of stability issues over the last few months, I think that the criticism about "aging packages like wine" is valid. I could deal with significant breakage in Xfce for a while, but when my wireless card (supported in the kernel) was unable to reliably connect to a wireless network, I had to toss Manjaro for good. If there's breakage in Arch, it will make it to Manjaro, and Arch packages seem to break more often these days.

I think that the state of Linux desktop right now is bad. GNOME3 is a pretty toy and KDE4 is ugly and (in my experience) unstable. Xfce is getting heavy, so it seems like people are all going to *box DEs. There used to be much greater diversity of well-supported desktop distros, like MEPIS, that weren't just another layer over Ubuntu.

Fedora seems to be the only decent distro for development right now: Fast mirrors, systemd for reasonable boot times, up-to-date packages, no distractions or consumer focus (Ubuntu), well-supported and relatively stable. I strongly recommend the MATE+Compiz spin: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/mate-compiz/

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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If you need a churning time-consuming stream of updates, the software wasn't written well. I'm looking for an alternative to OS X, but I want a stable OS that I can use to get work done . If anything, Apple has been shipping too much broken software, too often. The last thing I want to do is switch to a platform that actually embraces pushing out a constant stream of poorly thought out features and a slew of regressi…

Hasn't OS X become "linux on the desktop". Homebrew is there for a lot of the main packages and its easy to bring up virtual machines with whatever flavor of Linux distribution one wants for more particular needs. If you already have Apple hardware, I feel OS X is a great compromise. A great mainstream OS with a lot of support for good GUI apps plus great support for a lot of linux software. What's your reason's for…

MacPorts has been there for something like 12 years now, so "linux on the desktop" software availability is not really the problem.

However, it's growing clear through Apple's actions that they aren't interested in supporting the traditional desktop computing market, and that they see iOS-style black box computing as the road forward.

For someone whose contributions to the platform have run the gamut from kernel drivers to VM runtimes to desktop apps, living in an iOS-like desktop is simply not tenable; I can't wait years for a platform vendor to decide that my particular use-case is worthy of their support.

It's like owning a wood shop and only being able to produce Ikea-style furniture. Endless streams of vendor-approved Ikea furniture, and nary a 30' hand-built sloop in sight.

However, most of the industry-changing software has been exactly the kind of thing you or I could never build on iOS -- even HyperCard would technically run afoul of Apple's iOS rules regarding downloaded code.

Apple lost their way, so I need to find a new platform.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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I've been a Gnome user since the start of the month and it has been the best Linux experience I ever had so far. I was thoroughly impressed by its performance too.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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There are many annoyances in these new unfinished desktops, but one I miss the most was the Gnome2 clock applet. A must if you have people in other timezones:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/1Ftcd.png

Note the map with day/night marked. Allows one at a glance to figure out if it is a reasonable time to make contact.

I've managed to get a version almost as good on a Saucy laptop, but now Locations doesn't stay open by default, and has some new bugs.

These are the kinds of rich functionality that consistently get lost in the "reinvention shuffle" linux software goes thru every 5 years.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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There are many annoyances in these new unfinished desktops, but one I miss the most was the Gnome2 clock applet. A must if you have people in other timezones: http://i.stack.imgur.com/1Ftcd.png Note the map with day/night marked. Allows one at a glance to figure out if it is a reasonable time to make contact. I've managed to get a version almost as good on a Saucy laptop, but now Locations doesn't stay open by defaul…

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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

Gnome is very usable for many of us. I'm tired of seeing the same 'it sucks as a productivity environment' comments. If it's not your preference, you can say that, but Gnome Shell is perfectly fine when it comes to productivity. Quick app switching, searching, app launching, etc... How do these things hurt productivity? I personally dislike KDE, but that's just my taste. Some people love XMonad or XFCE, and some peop…

> I'm a developer and my workflow involves several different tools, Gnome Shell certainly doesn't hurt 'productivity'.

I'm also a developer whose workflow involves several different tools. One of those tools is Firefox, and I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows. I want to be able to instantaneously switch from Emacs to a specific Firefox window. I don't want to switch from Emacs to Firefox and then switch to a specific Firefox window (e.g., using Alt+`) like some desktop environments force their users to do.

The best solution I've found is to use a desktop environment or window manager that will display the Alt-Tab window list vertically with full titles displayed for all windows (which is similar to how I display tabs in Firefox using the Tree Style Tab extension). KDE and Openbox support this setup, and the last time I checked, Gnome didn't. So using Gnome would hurt my productivity.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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They talk about better Hi-res (i.e. "retina") display support. Does anyone have a screenshot or video of this working?

I'm curious about this as well. Having a nice HiDPI laptop but being stuck using 1366x768 sucks :(

There are many tweaks that can help. For instance, I'm currently using gnome 3.10 on a 11.6 inch laptop at 1920x1080, without any major issues.

For my setup, I've done the following:

* Increased the font scaling in gnome-tweak-tool to 1.5

* Made the cursor larger with a setting in gconf (http://askubuntu.com/a/66216)

* Adjusted the zoom level in the firefox about:config. Updated layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to 1.6

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