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Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by Blahah »

yeukhon wrote: post #48
Blahah wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant Of course it isn't. If he was backdooring JS crypto libraries for the NSA, or shooting orphans, or selling crack, that would be seriously inappropriate behaviour and he would lose his job for it. Many people might consider it inappropriate to be fighting against gay marriage - it's not just a political issue, it's a moral one.

Many people might consider it inappropriate to be fighting against gay marriage - it's not just a political issue, it's a moral one. Yet, we are forcing everyone to take a stand on this "moral" issue.

How is everyone being forced to take a stand? People who don't care don't have to do anything.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

Blahah wrote: post #38
vsviridov wrote: post #10

"By using Arabic numerals you are helping terrorists." As long as Mozilla products do not feature a "Not to be used by gays" warning, whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant. He's free to spend his money in any way he likes. What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

> whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant Of course it isn't. If he was backdooring JS crypto libraries for the NSA, or shooting orphans, or selling crack, that would be seriously inappropriate behaviour and he would lose his job for it. Many people might consider it inappropriate to be fighting against gay marriage - it's not just a political issue, it's a moral one.

Backdooring his employer's code would be directly related to his work, and illegal actions on his own time would make him unemployable if caught and convicted, because he'd go to prison. False equivalances, all.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by DatBear »

urbanautomaton wrote: post #20
m0skit0 wrote: post #6

I understand your posture and I totally support gay marriage, but you're mixing politics with work, and you're taking a personal issue to a professional level. It's Brendan Eich that supported the prop 8, not Mozilla. That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. From now on I will be very careful in buying/getting anything from your company because of huge lack of professionalism being shown here. This said, I…

> That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. I do not recognise this definition of professionalism, and am happy to be called unprofessional if it is the accepted one. Mozilla is an organisation that is dependent on community goodwill and support, and if the person they choose as a figurehead is one who has taken direct action to alienate a large segment of that community, then it seems to me entirely proper…

Not sure how this is a direct action taken to alienate a community. Seems like they're alienating themselves just fine.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by parennoob »

m0skit0 wrote: post #6

I understand your posture and I totally support gay marriage, but you're mixing politics with work, and you're taking a personal issue to a professional level. It's Brendan Eich that supported the prop 8, not Mozilla. That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. From now on I will be very careful in buying/getting anything from your company because of huge lack of professionalism being shown here. This said, I…

This statement "However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions." should make people very skittish about using Team Rarebit's code or services in production, specially if they ever make something that your app infrastructure is dependent on (like payment systems or APIs).

I understand that right now, it's some tiny app that doesn't affect too many people, which is fine. But imagine if tomorrow, Stripe or Balanced decided to stop certain conservative organizations from using their app. That would definitely be considered a suppression of personal expression and (imho) cause quite a backlash. As your organization grows, you have to be more and more careful about separating your personal and political views from those of your customers. I am glad that this company is not building anything that might be considered essential to startup infrastructure.

[Edit: To clarify a bit more, I'm trying to say that pulling an app from a store / suspending a service for reasons of personal disagreement is a disservice to the users of said app/service. Showcasing Brendan's role in donating against Prop 8 is perfectly fine.]

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

jasonlotito wrote: post #17
m0skit0 wrote: post #6

I understand your posture and I totally support gay marriage, but you're mixing politics with work, and you're taking a personal issue to a professional level. It's Brendan Eich that supported the prop 8, not Mozilla. That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. From now on I will be very careful in buying/getting anything from your company because of huge lack of professionalism being shown here. This said, I…

And Mozilla chose Brendan Eich to represent them as CEO. There is a distinct difference between being an employee, and being the CEO.

No, there isn't. A CEO is an employee, just one that tends to get paid above average.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by gcb0 »

Good luck finding a browser where the ceo or vps behind it agree 100% with anyone's views.

Unless you can point out that his (asshole, imho) views affected how he worked for Mozilla, than doing what you are doing is as bad as people that fired or did not purchased from companies supporting gay rights.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by futurist »

wudf wrote: post #19

Gotta be extreme to get any attention. At least give Brendan a way out other than stepping down. Maybe he will apologize and try to make amends in light of his new responsibility.

A way out... For what? Standing up for his moral convictions?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by crummy »

trentmb wrote: post #18
vsviridov wrote: post #10

"By using Arabic numerals you are helping terrorists." As long as Mozilla products do not feature a "Not to be used by gays" warning, whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant. He's free to spend his money in any way he likes. What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

> What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned? Outrage is cheaper and gets more attention. Kinda like when a toddler throws a tantrum.

Depending on their sales it may not be cheaper.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by Blahah »

transitionality wrote: post #52
Blahah wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant Of course it isn't. If he was backdooring JS crypto libraries for the NSA, or shooting orphans, or selling crack, that would be seriously inappropriate behaviour and he would lose his job for it. Many people might consider it inappropriate to be fighting against gay marriage - it's not just a political issue, it's a moral one.

Backdooring his employer's code would be directly related to his work, and illegal actions on his own time would make him unemployable if caught and convicted, because he'd go to prison. False equivalances, all.

OK, if you need to picky, something more comparable. Imagine he said: "black people are inferior to white people and don't deserve to be happy".
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