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Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by sly_g »

saryant wrote: post #18
adrusi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading an article a couple weeks ago, I'm not sure where, but I think it was posted on HN, about democracy over time. While not the same, that's a good proxy for measuring freedom. It said that democracy reached a peak around 2000, and that it's declined a little since then, but much slower than it was increasing before then. I think this article was either on The Atlantic, The Economist or BBC, if you wa…

It was probably The Economist. Paired with an interesting experiment (for them) in their presentation of long-form essays. http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21596796-democracy-was-...

"Freedom score"? Really? Some number, representing "freedom", calculated from the US point of view - it's, how should I put it... Less than impartial. Not to mention method of calculating freedom.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by hexa- »

higherpurpose wrote: post #45
Oculus wrote: post #29

My biggest fear is once dictatorships/governments become aware of the ability to sidestep their bans, they'll begin blocking websites such as torproject.org. Keep in mind this traffic spike is because people who don't normally use Tor, started using it (i.e. they downloaded it). At that point I think we'll begin to see an arms race between the public and government which might finally bring us to decentralization of…

Others could mirror Tor (more risky, yes, but better than nothing).

There already exists a mirror list at https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/mirrors.html.en. Of course this is hard to come by, when the whole torproject website is being censored.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by devcpp »

hexa- wrote: post #52
higherpurpose wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Others could mirror Tor (more risky, yes, but better than nothing).

There already exists a mirror list at https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/mirrors.html.en . Of course this is hard to come by, when the whole torproject website is being censored.

People can just look at the cached version of this page on Google over SSL, I doubt they will ban Google...

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by fragmede »

devcpp wrote: post #53
hexa- wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already exists a mirror list at https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/mirrors.html.en . Of course this is hard to come by, when the whole torproject website is being censored.

People can just look at the cached version of this page on Google over SSL, I doubt they will ban Google...

> In February 2006, Google made a significant concession to the Great Firewall of China, in exchange for equipment installation on Chinese soil, by blocking websites which the Chinese government deemed illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Peo...

So I think they would ban Google Search over this if they had to, but it sounds like Google would just hide it on Google.cn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Ch... is another interesting read, the first 6 URLs are Google products.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by r12e »

fragmede wrote: post #54
devcpp wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can just look at the cached version of this page on Google over SSL, I doubt they will ban Google...

> In February 2006, Google made a significant concession to the Great Firewall of China, in exchange for equipment installation on Chinese soil, by blocking websites which the Chinese government deemed illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Peo... So I think they would ban Google Search over this if they had to, but it sounds like Google would just hide it on Google.cn. https://en.wikipedia…

> the first 6 URLs are Google products

One of which is Google+, every cloud has a silver lining.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by hakanderyal »

higherpurpose wrote: post #43
tyrant_device wrote: post #10

Just for kicks, does Twitter have an onion server?

I was wondering if Twitter is doing anything to help the people in Turkey circumvent the censorship there. They should, but so far I've heard nothing about it. Hosting an onion server and an exit relay could help.

They hired a lawyer in Turkey to negotiate with the government.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by Ihmahr »

maglev45 wrote: post #40
Ihmahr wrote: post #34

Doing my part by hosting a relay, and so can you! https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-relay-debian.html.en

Why don't you try hosting an exit relay? It would be fun.

I am. Have been for 9 months now and didn't have significant trouble.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by tedchs »

Ihmahr wrote: post #58
maglev45 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you try hosting an exit relay? It would be fun.

I am. Have been for 9 months now and didn't have significant trouble.

I tried hosting an exit relay, even with limited outbound ports, and my VPS provider immediately received about 9 DMCA requested within 24 hours. I was able to email them the Tor boilerplate response and it went away, but I won't be trying that again.

Re: Tor: Directly connecting users from Turkey

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Post by hershel »

logicchains wrote: post #31
Oculus wrote: post #29

My biggest fear is once dictatorships/governments become aware of the ability to sidestep their bans, they'll begin blocking websites such as torproject.org. Keep in mind this traffic spike is because people who don't normally use Tor, started using it (i.e. they downloaded it). At that point I think we'll begin to see an arms race between the public and government which might finally bring us to decentralization of…

The TOR website is blocked in mainland China, as is TOR itself, but it works via obfsproxy, all it requires is someone to send you the executable/source. Most people who bypass the great firewall use VPNs, however.

Is it common for chinese citizens to do this , or is it only done by some tech guys ?
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