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Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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Considering all of the uproar caused by the Newsweek article, if people knowing you have bitcoins puts you in danger, then I'd say it's not a currency I want anything to do with.

Let's say you have 400 MUSD, or a ton of gold, and it becomes widely known.

Err, it is widely known, google "world's richest people". The difference is, as your sibling post pointed out, those people don't have it hidden under a mattress.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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When I was a kid on the beach, my cousin and I played a game. He collected wet sand and I collected dry sand. We were building separate castles (true story) and we exchanged our sand by trading shells.

In that moment, shells were a currency. It doesn't matter that no adults on the beach would accept the shells as payment for their Coke or that shells aren't legally endorsed by a government.

If we played this game today, we would have our phones out and trade our wares in bitcoin and it too would be a currency. Whether or not it's a good or reliable or sustainable currency is a totally different matter.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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Bitcoin isn't legal tender anywhere. One could argue that a currency is something which is legal tender somewhere in the world.

If I had 30 million British pennies it wouldn't be legal tender, because nobody is required to accept that volume by law. Does that mean my 30 million pennies aren't currency?

That is not what legal tender means. Legal tender means that the form of payment is a legally accepted option for extinguishing a debt.

If you owed someone a debt of 30,000 British pounds, you could repay that debt with the pennies, and they would have to accept it. So pennies are both a legal tender and a currency in that case.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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His argument (that articles priced in bitcoin change their priced based on the value of a fiat currency such as USD) is valid as a qualitative judgement of bitcoin's utility as a currency, but isn't really a valid test of what is or isn't a currency. Case in point: The Zimbabwean dollar remained a currency through its hyperinflation period, and is still considered a currency (however useless) even though it is no lon…

Bitcoin isn't legal tender anywhere. One could argue that a currency is something which is legal tender somewhere in the world.

In Scotland no banknotes at all are legal tender. But they certainly are used as a currency..

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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If I had 30 million British pennies it wouldn't be legal tender, because nobody is required to accept that volume by law. Does that mean my 30 million pennies aren't currency?

That is not what legal tender means. Legal tender means that the form of payment is a legally accepted option for extinguishing a debt. If you owed someone a debt of 30,000 British pounds, you could repay that debt with the pennies, and they would have to accept it. So pennies are both a legal tender and a currency in that case.

You are incorrect: http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/leg...

Pennies are only legal tender for amounts not exceeding 20p

edit: Also, as the link makes clear, you don't have to accept them even below 20p. All that legal tender means is:

> that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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A side note: I opened this in a tab along with a number of other things. By the time I got to it, it was some Jim Cramer thing and there were about 30 other things in my history, and I had to come back here to find the original link again. Terrible usability for a news site.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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His argument (that articles priced in bitcoin change their priced based on the value of a fiat currency such as USD) is valid as a qualitative judgement of bitcoin's utility as a currency, but isn't really a valid test of what is or isn't a currency. Case in point: The Zimbabwean dollar remained a currency through its hyperinflation period, and is still considered a currency (however useless) even though it is no lon…

Does Bitcoin meeting a dictionary definition of a currency (that is being a medium of exchange) really matter given his actual point (which you've clearly understood)? Also, if your defence of Bitcoin as a currency is to compare it to the Zimbabwean Dollar (a currency ridiculed and later abandoned) then is it OK if I ever need a lawyer that I pass on you and go to the next guy? ;-)

His primary point of view is making money. If I can't figure out how to make money on something, I will dismiss it. This is likely what he is doing ATM, but not a good assumption moving forward.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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Would have posted it but for some reason HN has taken away my posting privileges. All my links are auto-dead now. I can only comment :-(

Your last submissions were about Ukraine and the current situation there; maybe some mod got trigger happy with banning "mainstream news" posts? :(

Possibly.

But they seem to allow military A10 and F15 posts, no problem.

Now they suddenly just made it so I can only reply in comments like once an hour, I had to wait a long time to reply to this.

You're submitting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks.

This is someone's cowardly way of bullying me off HN, or a big bug - I suspect the former.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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That is not what legal tender means. Legal tender means that the form of payment is a legally accepted option for extinguishing a debt. If you owed someone a debt of 30,000 British pounds, you could repay that debt with the pennies, and they would have to accept it. So pennies are both a legal tender and a currency in that case.

You are incorrect: http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/leg... Pennies are only legal tender for amounts not exceeding 20p edit: Also, as the link makes clear, you don't have to accept them even below 20p. All that legal tender means is: > that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take plac…

Yup, one of the common misconceptions about money. There's also no legal requirement to give change.

Re: Buffett: Bitcoin not a currency [video]

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If I had 30 million British pennies it wouldn't be legal tender, because nobody is required to accept that volume by law. Does that mean my 30 million pennies aren't currency?

That is not what legal tender means. Legal tender means that the form of payment is a legally accepted option for extinguishing a debt. If you owed someone a debt of 30,000 British pounds, you could repay that debt with the pennies, and they would have to accept it. So pennies are both a legal tender and a currency in that case.

UK pennies are either bronze or copper plated steel. Bronze pennies are worth more than a penny, so paying someone with 30,000 pennies would give them some value of scrap metal. (If they were prepared to break any English law about destroying coin).
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