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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by hrrsn »

rdl wrote: post #20
dsymonds wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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At least in the US market, BMW and Audi seem very likely to have mainly iOS user buyers. In Europe, probably more Android. So picking one platform is basically guaranteed to piss off a sizable part of one's customers. I'd probably go BMW instead of Audi if the BMW had better iOS integration, even though I generally prefer Audis. I assume an Android user would go the other way.

I drive an '06 Audi, so I'd probably just wait until they eventually support it.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by alkonaut »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

I agree it's a bad idea to have touch devices within an arms length of a drivers seat, even if the device can be interacted with also via voice and physical buttons.

It would would be simple to not allow touch interaction while driving. So before you start and if you pull over you can text/call/setup navigation which is easy to do on the touch screen and hard to do with a few buttons.

Once moving the touch screen should dumb down to stupid mode with only one valid interaction: hitting the screen hard a few times should silence the navigation voice (a feature I have found missing in most current models).

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by mbel »

josteink wrote: post #46
mbel wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe car manufacturers already have a cross platform standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirrorLink Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel.

Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel. To be fair, that's basically Apple's business models. Just add some proprietary standards and some software patents and you are good to go.

Yeah, I'm absolutely aware of this; it just seems to be so wasteful from engineering point of view.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by BillinghamJ »

archagon wrote: post #43
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

That is by choice. I live in the UK. Personally, I don't see the point in driving manual, but most drivers in the UK enjoy using stick shift. In the context of a self-driving car, that doesn't matter.

The self-driving car technology is also very viable to use right now. I have seen Google self-driving cars on the freeways driving next to me. It would not surprise me if they were being sold within the next 5 years, commonplace within 20-30 years.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by gnaffle »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #39
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

> why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls Avionics has been moving away from tangible indicators and controls for some time. Honeywell has already announced that is working on "touchscreen-enabled avionics for the next-generation air transport and business aviation cockpits" [1]. I also believe SpaceX runs a largely virtualised command centre. > Self-driving cars...every…

Granted, the things that touchscreens replace in avionics are the stuff that you need your eyes on to operate in any case (navigation computer etc). And they often replace input systems that were far, far worse (read http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/garmin-gps for a funny review of the old Garmin avionics).

And in the air, you have a little more time to look at the instruments without risking crashing into a meeting car or driving off the road. I suspect (hope) that the current trend with touchscreens in cars will be a fad, and that manufacturers will realize that some features (climate control etc) are best implemented with traditional controls.

It's sad when my 10 year old car has a UI on that part that allows me to use it without taking the eyes off the road.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by lutusp »

archagon wrote: post #43
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing [self-driving cars] even within the next few decades, if ever.

Come on -- self-driving cars are already legal in California --

"Self-driving cars now legal in California" : http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/tech/innovation/self-driving-c...

-- and the military are testing self-driving trucks to prevent IUD casualties in hostile areas --

"Army tests self-driving trucks for the next big war: " http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/army-tests-self-drivi...

-- so your doubts are anachronistic to say the least.

> Self-driving cars have way too many hurdles to overcome before they reach that point. I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet.

Hey -- wake up and smell the Cappuccino. :)

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by m_mueller »

lstamour wrote: post #22
eurleif wrote: post #11

What's the deal with third-party apps? I see music apps mentioned, but it looks like there isn't general support. I bet a lot of people will be interested in Google Maps in particular...

Wait for WWDC this summer. Or next. Apple will want to improve this to encourage lock-in to their ecosystem. I'd expect this to expand in functionality in tandem with that of their watch. Both could serve as secondary screens for information you'd normally get on your phone.

All that can be said about AppleTV which as been out for years and has gathered quite a large userbase lately.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

theswan wrote: post #24
coffeemug wrote: post #9

Ah finally, no more atrocious pressure-sensitive touch screens. I wouldn't be surprised if this feature alone is sufficient to increase demand for supported brands in large enough quantities to make other manufacturers take notice.

Am curious who is in charge on manufacturing the device.. Both car manufacturers and Apple have history of wanting build the "whole widget."

The home, menu and volume controls on the left don't look like something Apple would make.
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