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Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

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Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#51
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hated sitting down to a machine with custom mouse cursors, mostly because the actual hit detection point was always in a weird spot.

Indeed, but the fun was not in using them, but drawing them!

I used to drive my dad crazy with this - also adding like those rainbow trails to the mouse or picking random icons for common programs (hey cool, the Word icon can now be a tree!)

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#53
I don't know if this went into the decision making process, but with the cursor at an angle the OS can use the x,y coordinates of the cursor to find it's target, instead of having to offset the coordinates to compensate for a straight cursor.

I'm not sure if that's how cursors work.. just a thought.

edit: grammar is hard

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#54
post #52

I've always been confused as to the success of the computer mouse. It doesn't seem like the ideal solution. Then again, neither do trackpads.

> I've always been confused as to the success of the computer mouse. It doesn't seem like the ideal solution. Then again, neither do trackpads.

Without meaning to be argumentative, what would be ideal? In the absence of an actual better solution, one can explain the success of an obviously sub-optimal but existing solution by "worse is better" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better).

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#55
When an average right-handed person points at something his hand has a very similar shape. Imaging a large screen with some kind of a presentation and you are explaining something to the public and pointing at some object on the screen. The shape of your hand in this moment is the most natural thing for a pointer, immediately understandable by anyone.

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#56
post #2

I remember windows 3.1 had a utility for drawing custom cursors. I had great fun making cursors (I was around 10 at the time I guess) and had completed forgotten about it until now! I think that utility was a 16x16 grid, and indeed the easiest to see arrows utilsed the vertical, although actually a cursor which uses the horizontal and diagonal isn't bad either.

iirc it's really a 32x32 grid, but the "point" for the cursor is the center position, so the lower-right quadrand is used for a regular cursor, where say the text cursor is centered.

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#57
post #2

I remember windows 3.1 had a utility for drawing custom cursors. I had great fun making cursors (I was around 10 at the time I guess) and had completed forgotten about it until now! I think that utility was a 16x16 grid, and indeed the easiest to see arrows utilsed the vertical, although actually a cursor which uses the horizontal and diagonal isn't bad either.

In this same vein, I remember spending hours making custom repeating tile pattern backgrounds in Windows 95. Before the modern Web, using a PC was quite a different experience than how they're used the majority of the time now.

Indeed. When i was little, i used to spend hours drawing meticulously detailed landscapes in profile (like in Worms etc), using MacPaint, following a particular method. I'd get a large circular brush and roughly bash out some terrain (hills and valleys, cliffs and overhangs, maybe some flat bits). Then go along the ground with the pencil tool and flip individual pixels to shape buildings, plant trees, park vehicles, build fortifications, dig tunnels, excavate secret bases, etc.

EDIT: It's possible i was inspired by the (lack of) landscape in Airborne, which i also played a lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G7R9lV9eVY

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#58
post #54
post #52

I've always been confused as to the success of the computer mouse. It doesn't seem like the ideal solution. Then again, neither do trackpads.

> I've always been confused as to the success of the computer mouse. It doesn't seem like the ideal solution. Then again, neither do trackpads. Without meaning to be argumentative, what would be ideal? In the absence of an actual better solution, one can explain the success of an obviously sub-optimal but existing solution by "worse is better" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better ).

Things that would appear ideal would be something like either a Light Pen or a Touch screen. Mainly because they'd appear ideal since that's how we interacted with things before computers, so it should enable us to work with computers the same way that we interact with things of the past 5k years or so. that said it's just appearances.

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#59

Nobody seems to mention a pretty good reason also: standard western text (and content in general) is oriented right-to-left; therefore covering only one side seems to me intuitively less obstructing (we can read perfectly up to the click spot, instead of being confused by what's underneath it)

But the arrow cursor is not used for selecting text. The cursor switches to an I-beam over selectable text.

This was the case as far back as the original Mac; I'm not sure which cursors were used on systems before that.

Re: Why is the mouse cursor slightly tilted and not straight?

#60
In what kind of mental darkness are you living?

The US Government is crippling the idea of "democracy", we have total surveillance, SECRET COURTS and Wallstreet Banksters killing your freedom for money and this $MOFOBADWORD is thinking about mouse pointers.

Your children will live in a dark age of dictatorship, for sure, with "Hackers" who think this kind of BS is worth being on top of "news".

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