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New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by rtpg »

jamesrcole wrote: post #46
rtpg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If it's a fact, it's not racism. So many apologists here seem to think that you can just list facts, context-free, in some sort of objective manner. The way facts are presented are almost invariably enabling some sort of value judgement. For example, if you were to do a study on prison population in the US, you could end up presenting two facts : > blacks are dis-proportionally present in the prison population > poo…

> The way facts are presented are almost invariably enabling some sort of value judgement. Yes, but then the problem is not with the facts themselves, but the way they have been used, and I took the grandparent statement to be talking about the facts themselves.

you can't just present facts (even an excel spreadsheet of raw data will show what you tested against), so there is always at least some form of choosing mechanism.

Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by jamesrcole »

rtpg wrote: post #51
jamesrcole wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The way facts are presented are almost invariably enabling some sort of value judgement. Yes, but then the problem is not with the facts themselves, but the way they have been used, and I took the grandparent statement to be talking about the facts themselves.

you can't just present facts (even an excel spreadsheet of raw data will show what you tested against), so there is always at least some form of choosing mechanism.

> you can't just present facts (even an excel spreadsheet of raw data will show what you tested against)

A 'fact' is something that is fairly well established. Of course we can never know anything with absolute certainty. Given that notion of 'fact', are you saying there are no facts in, say, physics, or chemistry, or biology? And on top of that, are you saying they can't simply be presented?

Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by sillysaurus2 »

d0 wrote: post #47
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to learn from genetic diversity Good comment. Hopefully this leads to some thought-provoking material... rather than applying the racism badge to it every fucking time and ignoring it to pacify some over-sensitive idiots. ... Oh. Nevermind. EDIT: I see that you're new to HN. Please don't write in such an inflammatory style. In addition to being against the rules, it's also ineffective.

I'm not new to HN. Rules are subject to interpretation . If it draws attention to the point then it is perfectly valid. In fact I think it's just here. When your point opposes religious thinking then you have to throw your toys out of the pram. If I'd posted this from my older account then the response would be different as HN treats older more established users differently.

What you did was completely against the rules: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

There is no interpretation to be made there. You willfully ignored it.

I didn't think you were new to HN, judging by your comment history, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you've been banned before. Perhaps you feel your new identity gives you a vantage point from which to snipe at others. But either way, would you please clean up your writing?

I think this is the problem:

"There's too much woo and too many chipped shoulders and opportunists these days and they need a smackdown."

You feel you're on a mission, and that your mission supersedes following the rules. It doesn't.

Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by DanBC »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53
d0 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not new to HN. Rules are subject to interpretation . If it draws attention to the point then it is perfectly valid. In fact I think it's just here. When your point opposes religious thinking then you have to throw your toys out of the pram. If I'd posted this from my older account then the response would be different as HN treats older more established users differently.

What you did was completely against the rules: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." There is no interpretation to be made there. You willfully ignored it. I didn't think you were new to HN, judging by your comment history, but I wanted to giv…

If you're quoting rules: please downvote and ignore.

Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by sillysaurus2 »

DanBC wrote: post #54
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you did was completely against the rules: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." There is no interpretation to be made there. You willfully ignored it. I didn't think you were new to HN, judging by your comment history, but I wanted to giv…

If you're quoting rules: please downvote and ignore.

http://paulgraham.com/trolls.html

News.YC is, among other things, an experiment to see if this fate can be avoided. The sites's guidelines explicitly ask people not to say things they wouldn't say face to face. If someone starts being rude, other users will step in and tell them to stop.

It sounds like we're going to be stuck with d0 for awhile. If they get banned, I assume they'll create a new account and do this all over again. I'm at least hoping they'll be reasonable.

Re: New forms of 'racism' arise in science research

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Post by d0 »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #55
DanBC wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're quoting rules: please downvote and ignore.

http://paulgraham.com/trolls.html News.YC is, among other things, an experiment to see if this fate can be avoided. The sites's guidelines explicitly ask people not to say things they wouldn't say face to face. If someone starts being rude, other users will step in and tell them to stop. It sounds like we're going to be stuck with d0 for awhile. If they get banned, I assume they'll create a new account and do this al…

I will be reasonable. However I would have said that face to face.

Apologies if I have offended anyone.

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