Live data from Hacker News

Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

online.wsj.com

51–60 of 80 posts

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#51
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What is Windows Phone lacking? Apps. What is the current perceived gap in the Windows Phone app store?

Quality is very low. Apps are there, but features are usually lacking and incomplete, and curation is awful. NB: I have a Lumia.

Microsoft aggressively targeted college students offering $100 for every app published. It's really easy to crank out an RSS app and pocket $100.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#53
"Another reason for the Nokia Android phone is Microsoft's Windows Phone—currently the only operating system on Nokia's higher-end Lumia smartphones—doesn't work on low-cost phones because of the software's technical requirements."

I have to wonder about that statement, because WP created a smaller memory requirement version that was supposed to be run on lesser hardware phones.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#54
post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Nokia was hemorrhaging market share and needed cash. MSFT brought the cash with certain strings. Elop being there probably moved that decision along.

If Nokia had "stayed the course", they probably would have suffered a similar fate of RIM (though having the lower end market share/phones to help them limp along a bit longer...)

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#55
post #23

It's pretty odd. I think it's fair to say that the only handset makers profiting off of Android today are...Samsung...and...that's about it really. Meager pickings for the rest of them. I don't see this succeeding at all. And in any case it's dead in the water once the Microsoft deal goes through because it just muddies the waters. A person that buys one of these cheap Nokia/Android phones would reasonably expect tha…

A person buying a "premium" Lumia WP7 handset had a reasonable expectation that Microsoft would upgrade the OS when WP8 came out, but that didn't really work out either.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#56
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.

Due to anti-trust law, Microsoft can't have any influence over decisions Nokia makes before the acquisition[1]. Even if Microsoft hated the idea of Nokia building and Android phone (likely) it could do nothing about it. And, even more importantly, Nokia could NOT change its plans even if Microsoft wanted them to.

[1] http://hal2020.com/2013/10/16/how-much-influence-is-microsof...

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#57
post #49
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung, Xiamo, Huawei, Lenovo all appear to be making good profits off of Android. There are a few other smaller players also making good profits, although note that Huawei and Lenovo are pretty big players, easily bigger than RIM/Nokia/etc. So I don't think that argument holds much water - if Nokia made an Android phone that people wanted, they could very easily charge a premium (Sony does after all, but they just…

Lenovo made less than $500m net profit across the entire company last year, on $30b in revenue. These are margins you can sustain only if you're a Chinese ODM or a company like Samsung that makes money from all the parts in everyone else's phones too. It's certainly not the kind of money that supports expensive R&D. Apple can throw a billion at developing sapphire glass or a new tooling method, and beat their competi…

Ah, so that's where we've moved the goal post.

Sorry it might take me a little while to get there, it's looking like I better grab a golf cart.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

#60
post #57
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lenovo made less than $500m net profit across the entire company last year, on $30b in revenue. These are margins you can sustain only if you're a Chinese ODM or a company like Samsung that makes money from all the parts in everyone else's phones too. It's certainly not the kind of money that supports expensive R&D. Apple can throw a billion at developing sapphire glass or a new tooling method, and beat their competi…

Ah, so that's where we've moved the goal post. Sorry it might take me a little while to get there, it's looking like I better grab a golf cart.

Confusing. How is gross margin a shift of goalposts in a thread about profits?
Post reply on HN