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Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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Re: Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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One word: Idiots. Seriously, those investors are morons. MS has never been a a company that fits the adjective: "lean". MS is practically a post-secondary institution unto itself! MS' far-reaching speculative research is the stuff of legend, and far too infrequently translated into the commercial sphere. Anyone who thinks they should narrow their focus and ignore more of the fruits of their labor instead of less is a…

More or less... Microsoft started as business software company, then switched to be a OS company, when this happened, their dev software divisions for example were assigned to support Windows, not develop on their own. After Bill Gates left, that Ballmer tried to do several things at the same time, resulting specially into a Windows division detached from everything else, MS stopped making good games for windows, sto…

> MS killed it [MSN Messenger] in favour of Skype

The fact that they turned the product in to horrific ad-riddled bloatware killed MSN Messenger. Facebook chat and instant messaging in mobile, where MS may as well not exist, twisted the knife.

Re: Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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More or less... Microsoft started as business software company, then switched to be a OS company, when this happened, their dev software divisions for example were assigned to support Windows, not develop on their own. After Bill Gates left, that Ballmer tried to do several things at the same time, resulting specially into a Windows division detached from everything else, MS stopped making good games for windows, sto…

> MS killed it [MSN Messenger] in favour of Skype The fact that they turned the product in to horrific ad-riddled bloatware killed MSN Messenger. Facebook chat and instant messaging in mobile, where MS may as well not exist, twisted the knife.

Still, the MSN Messenger client (specially in Brazil, where many people still used Windows XP, and thus by default had to use older clients with less ads) was still much leaner than Skype

I am actually considering uninstalling Skype until I need it again for a job or something, because it makes the boot process MUCH slower, and I don't even log on it ever (I just wait it to launch, and then close it again)

Re: Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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One word: Idiots. Seriously, those investors are morons. MS has never been a a company that fits the adjective: "lean". MS is practically a post-secondary institution unto itself! MS' far-reaching speculative research is the stuff of legend, and far too infrequently translated into the commercial sphere. Anyone who thinks they should narrow their focus and ignore more of the fruits of their labor instead of less is a…

Well, not necessarily idiots. I'm sure they understand the longer term value of those brands and products to Microsoft. Investors are not necessarily in it for the long-term, though. They might buy a substantial stake, pressure the CEO into cutting valuable (but currently loss-making) divisions, and be looking to sell that stake after a couple of really strong-looking quarters. None of that is good for Microsoft, but…

This is the thing that is often glossed over when discussing what investors want out of a company. The primary goal of an investment is to provide a large return in a short timeframe, regardless of what happens after cashing out. Burning up a company's future to inflate short-term profits can be a perfectly fine strategy for an investor. You could argue that the last people who should have a say in how a company runs its affairs are the investors, because they are the most likely to make decisions that are bad for the company.

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OS X. Now free

That's completely different. OS X is not really free, the same way iOS is not free. It just comes bundled with the hardware and you get updates till the EOL of the product.

Much like Android. It's free for 12 months or so, after which your product support is shrugged off.

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> MS killed it [MSN Messenger] in favour of Skype The fact that they turned the product in to horrific ad-riddled bloatware killed MSN Messenger. Facebook chat and instant messaging in mobile, where MS may as well not exist, twisted the knife.

Still, the MSN Messenger client (specially in Brazil, where many people still used Windows XP, and thus by default had to use older clients with less ads) was still much leaner than Skype I am actually considering uninstalling Skype until I need it again for a job or something, because it makes the boot process MUCH slower, and I don't even log on it ever (I just wait it to launch, and then close it again)

I refused to install Skype for work, pointing out that it's not as secure as it's alternatives. Plus the fact it's disrupting, crappy software and you still can reach me by email, phone, VPN or walk down the hall to my office.

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Why should MS invest in hardware, when PC's offer better hardware, run the windows store to share profit with MS and have good enough DRM(as steam shows, and might even be improved by working with pc manufacturers) ? Most likely in the future, MS will do something similar to steam - just sell software for so called "consoles", and have hardware partners. That will help with the losses issues.

I honestly don't know, especially with Valve's Steambox on the way. It was a losing fight from the beginning, and this generation is already doomed right from the start.

But valve is doomed because of linux. MS don't have this problem. They could easily merge xbox + windows on a steam like platform if they wanted to .

Re: Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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Killing Surface may be premature. As far as I can tell, Surface Pro 2 is currently out of stock basically everywhere.

Windows RT, I'd be happy to call that one pretty much dead anyway. Unless they can figure out a way to get full windows apps running on ARM devices, I don't see the point. Intel chips are going to improve in performance and battery life to the point where they are nearly comparable with ARM (or at least to a point where it matters). Then, the argument would be mute and we won't be making a decision between RT and Full Windows.

Bing, I'm not so sure. I actually quite like Bing, but I don't see where Microsoft is going to make a huge impact with it.

XBox, I can't believe they're loosing money on it, particularly after the huge success of the kinect. Either way, it's Microsoft's ticket into the livingroom.

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I honestly don't know, especially with Valve's Steambox on the way. It was a losing fight from the beginning, and this generation is already doomed right from the start.

But valve is doomed because of linux. MS don't have this problem. They could easily merge xbox + windows on a steam like platform if they wanted to .

That is pretty much what Games for Windows Live is/was. It didn't go very well.

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Listen, I'm no fan of Microsoft, but those investors better keep their hands of the ergonomic keyboard product line, or I'll... I'll... probably have to stockpile them? Seriously though, the ergo 4000 is the best keyboard I've ever owned and I'd hate to see it gone by the hand of somebody who just doesn't care enough.

Wait...they're messing with the 4000?

Not yet, as far as I know. I just wanted to point out that, if they are willing to axe the Xbox or Bing, an unimportant but great product such as the ergo 4000 could be killed any time.
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