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Could you Survive Without Money? Meet the Guy Who Does.

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Re: Could you Survive Without Money? Meet the Guy Who Does.

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Post by hyperbovine »

erlanger wrote: post #11

If everyone did this, he wouldn't have a thing to eat. I'm not knocking it, but it's something to think about. But that brings us to a more important point: Why does this guy have to forage to survive without money? Shouldn't he be able to save up, buy a few acres and grow his own resources? Nope, because of the absurdity known as the property tax (er, I mean "protection racket").

Property tax rate in Moab: 0.00%

Effective tax on a $100,000 property in Moab: $0

Effective tax on a $500,000 property in Moab: $0

Effective tax on a few acres to grow his own resources: $0

Sound of another anti-government nutjob scuttling back to the drawing board in search of a new red herring: priceless

http://propertytax.utah.gov/taxrates/taxarearates2008.pdf http://www.moabcity.org/business/index.cfm

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Post by hyperbovine »

nir wrote: post #26
seldo wrote: post #15

So, um, he's a homeless guy who lives in a cave. Congratulations, homeless guy, you have somehow managed to convince everybody that instead of a homeless guy, you're a cultural revolutionary. NB: you live in a fucking cave. Forgive me if this doesn't sound like the future of mankind.

"NB: you live in a fucking cave. Forgive me if this doesn't sound like the future of mankind" Forgive me if I say this sounds like a Reddit comment :) Why so negative? He doesn't harm or tries to convert. There is a difference between him and most homeless in that he actually chose this lifestyle, is able to quit it if he wants, and seems to be generally pretty happy with it.

There was a this American Life a while back about two guys who chose to be homeless in NYC for a while. IIRC the gist was: it sucks. I was shocked.

Yeah not sure what the media's fascination with voluntary homelessness is.

Re: Could you Survive Without Money? Meet the Guy Who Does.

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Post by lionheart »

pj wrote: post #12
Xichekolas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Countness numbers of the x-generation, y-generation, and even the baby boomers are going to die, simply because they do not know how to survive without money and a job and a grocery store." What? The only reason people would need to be able to hunt their own food in our society is if that society totally and utterly collapsed. And not just a collapse of the government... I'm talking mass-fatality pandemic, nuclear…

Not where I live. 5% of my state suffers from "food insecurity" which means they dont know where their next meal is coming from. I went on a field trip as a child through a state park and the game ranger warned us all, he said, "Don't poach deer kids. If you are hungry and your parents want to poach deer out of season, tell them to call me and we'll help." He wasn't saying this as a joke. Many families here do procur…

"I asked my grandmother what her thoughts about the current financial situation, remember, she survived the great depression and she said, "I haven't seen anything like this.""

My parents and I lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is nothing. This is nothing compared even to the last 5 years of the Soviet Union's existence.

You can go to the store and buy cheese. We had to make our own. Wake me when you can't buy cheese in stores anymore.

Re: Could you Survive Without Money? Meet the Guy Who Does.

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Post by jonah »

mikeytown2 wrote: post #42
pj wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right! It's impossible to own land in America. You merely rent it from the government. But also, he uses the library for internet access. I wonder if he considers that "government dole."

Not entirely true, If you own patented land then I believe that is tax free forever; at least under current US law.

Wow thanks. I had to look that up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_patent

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Post by c0nsilience »

"Money represents lack. Money represents things in the past (debt) and things in the future (credit), but money never represents what is present."

Spoken like a man who doesn't know how to manage money. Good article, though. It shows what copping out looks like.

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Post by jonah »

sfphotoarts wrote: post #35
pj wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not where I live. 5% of my state suffers from "food insecurity" which means they dont know where their next meal is coming from. I went on a field trip as a child through a state park and the game ranger warned us all, he said, "Don't poach deer kids. If you are hungry and your parents want to poach deer out of season, tell them to call me and we'll help." He wasn't saying this as a joke. Many families here do procur…

"I asked my grandmother what her thoughts about the current financial situation, remember, she survived the great depression and she said, "I haven't seen anything like this."" I'm curious what, exactly your grandmother is seeing now that is worse than the great depression? Or quite possibly it's not worse than you think at all. I don't think you can speak for all with your notions of faith and belief. Economics does…

"Economics doesn't need you to believe in it or have any faith in it. Its grounded in real and concrete math." Oh?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=717293

Re: Could you Survive Without Money? Meet the Guy Who Does.

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Post by jonah »

philwelch wrote: post #28
Xichekolas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Countness numbers of the x-generation, y-generation, and even the baby boomers are going to die, simply because they do not know how to survive without money and a job and a grocery store." What? The only reason people would need to be able to hunt their own food in our society is if that society totally and utterly collapsed. And not just a collapse of the government... I'm talking mass-fatality pandemic, nuclear…

You'd be surprised. My dad grew up in the Great Depression and during the war, though he implied that this kind of thing was the way of life before that in small towns: even if people had jobs, they still made their own clothing, had gardens, and hunted. People were remarkably self-sufficient. They had cars (one of the few manufactured goods they bought) but they maintained the cars themselves as well as their equipm…

It's distressing how quickly we loose skills. Throw most Gen X/Y-ers back a generation or two and they'd be utterly lost - at least at first. We're also pretty adaptable.

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Post by RK »

madmanslitany wrote: post #39
mjgoins wrote: post #33

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If everyone in the world was an investment banker, no one would have anything to eat. Ditto hackers, unless they were hackers with an eye towards agriculture.

I don't think this is valid in the context of what the parent was saying about this guy; hackers and investment bankers are specialized professions which contribute to society in their own specialized way and specialization makes life better for everyone overall by enabling civilization. The subject of the article is hardly a specialized professional and while it's minimized to some extent, he even admits he sometime…

Some might argue that his commentary on culture is useful in an artistic sense

He's selling magazines. Just ask the reporter/publisher.

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