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Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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post #37

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OwnCloud + DO or Linode, and your backup problems are solved (more or less).

But then you are paying for the hosting and dealing with the maintenance. At that point is's easier to switch back to Dropbox. (IMHO)

It's better to host it in your own home. Everyone has an old computer with more storage space than you can ever afford from Dropbox. All you have to pay for is dynamic dns (which is useful in many other ways). "Maintenance" is a bad criticism. Use some stable distro and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once every couple of months.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

#52
post #20

I was also looking to host my own cloud service. I tried OwnCloud (2 weeks ago) and I was fascinated by it... Well until it failed me and lost my test data. There is a major bug in it (try renaming a directory by changing one letter from small to capital). That being said, I started using BitTorrentSync which is a peer to peer sync and I am happy with it so far and I am still testing it.

How exactly does it (BitTorr..) sync data between my mobile & my laptop? If I have 100 Gigabytes of pics on my laptop. Will it attempt to copy it on my phone or does it cache a small portion? Does that need internet connection or will ad-hoc wifi work?

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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post #51
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you are paying for the hosting and dealing with the maintenance. At that point is's easier to switch back to Dropbox. (IMHO)

It's better to host it in your own home. Everyone has an old computer with more storage space than you can ever afford from Dropbox. All you have to pay for is dynamic dns (which is useful in many other ways). "Maintenance" is a bad criticism. Use some stable distro and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once every couple of months.

> Everyone has an old computer with more storage space than you can ever afford from Dropbox.

Weird definition of everyone, even in the HN reading crowd. Lot's of twenty-somethings have moved several times in a short amount of time, and tend to ditch the cruft. I know I did.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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I've been trying for days to get OwnCloud working properly with for my 30 person startup. I wish I could say it was going great but I'm a couple hours away from trying out DropBox for business. I went with Ubuntu, 200GB EBS, M1X-large and the latest OwnCloud (6.0.1 stable) Syncing has been brutal. We have a 100MB connection, and even the few test users I've put on it all are complaining of it not consistently syncing…

Have you considered the AeroFS (https://www.aerofs.com/pricing)? I have not used AeroFS, but it would be on my list to evaluate for your use case, especially if external storage is undesirable. Pricing seems in line with Dropbox for Business, although this does not take into account the cost of maintaining your own storage.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

#57
post #51
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you are paying for the hosting and dealing with the maintenance. At that point is's easier to switch back to Dropbox. (IMHO)

It's better to host it in your own home. Everyone has an old computer with more storage space than you can ever afford from Dropbox. All you have to pay for is dynamic dns (which is useful in many other ways). "Maintenance" is a bad criticism. Use some stable distro and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once every couple of months.

> It's better to host it in your own home.

With the sterling reliability of the average residential ISP... For what it is worth, home runing is a viable option for many uses: I do run a server or two at home myself but important things are out in external DCs too.

> Everyone has an old computer with more storage space than you can ever afford from Dropbox

For transfers maybe, but are your really trusting an ancient box of parts long out of warranty with your long term storage?

> "Maintenance" is a bad criticism.

It isn't criticism (as it "this is bad and it is their fault because of how they've designed the product"), it is a perfectly valid concern when considering whether to run a service for yourself or pay someone else to do it for you.

> Use some stable distro and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once every couple of months

Remind me never to employ you as a sysadmin! There is (potentially) a lot more to it than that. what about setting up backups, monitoring those backups and testing those backups? What about connectivity: if you home connection goes down of you have a hardware failure while you are mobile who is going to fix it? If there is a fault with your physical line how long is it going to take to get people out to fix that?

You might not find those issues to be relevant to your (storage of and) access to your data, but to some people they are vitally important and need considering.

I'm actually planning to test an OwnCloud install for myself and family & friends, it looks like the feature set covers out needs quite nicely if it works well enough, but I can assure you I'm giving the above things all due consideration and I don't consider it "bad criticism" to do so (for my own data at least: friends and family will be told the service is free to use at their own risk!). I may even suggest we run an instance at work if my experiments with it go well, as we could use such a service but the nature of some of our data means that we can't trust it to 3rd party services.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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post #44
post #41

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If your very first reason for not using ownCloud is "because it's written in PHP" then I'm probably not going to read the rest of your comment.

That's too bad. You missed out on some good points. Avoiding something because of the programming language can be a very reasonable decision. Personally, I could probably hack on some PHP if I really needed to, but I want to avoid putting myself in a position to need to do that. There are other options available that are better for me.

Parent might have made some good point, but this whole "PHP sucks" attitude is pretty juvenile. How can we have constructive discussion about some software if the knee jerk reaction this community has is "lol PHP, so shit"?

I'll take open source code over proprietary crap any day of the week.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

#60
post #6

One aspect that is overlooked here is the actual safety of your data. If you feel that your own server has the safety and backup resources of e.g. Amazon (which Dropbox uses), you're probably deluding yourself.

FWIW your data isn't safe with Dropbox[1].

1: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=dropbox+prism

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