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As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by protomyth »

guelo wrote: post #46
protomyth wrote: post #15

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Uhm, I can say with some certainty that a lot of North Dakota farmers would take issue with your statement. F-150s are workhorses around here and there is a bit of concern with the 2014 F-150 given the vehicles many uses. I can see this being true in the cities, but it is also sold to a lot of contractors who take it to job sites. The Super Duty (F-450) is actually something to buy if you have a specialized need.

They're worried the 2014 model has been influenced by liberals and it doesn't pollute enough.

No, they're worried that the new construction is not as durable as the old construction. There are some fairly major changes such as moving to unibody aluminum from a ladder-frame steel. Fundamental changes tend to illicit worries in something that is as well known, used, and liked. Surprises are unwelcome in tools.

Your statement is just ill-informed crap that disparages others.

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Post by allwein »

gregpilling wrote: post #8
sosborn wrote: post #5

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The F-150 might be the best selling vehicle, but are trucks the largest selling segment?

Yes. "light-truck share at 51.2 percent with sales up 10.4 percent from last year." https://www.nada.org/Publications/NADADATA/

Directly from the report linked off that page: "In 2013, pickups held a market share of 13.6 percent of light-vehicle sales and 26.6 percent of light-truck sales"

From the accompanying graph, it looks like the definition of "light-truck" includes crossovers, SUVs, vans, and pickups.

https://www.nada.org/NR/rdonlyres/AAD0D79A-7C46-489F-B738-81...

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

hk__2 wrote: post #40
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #20

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Of course not silly! Cause free is a marketing euphemism for "You already paid for it with the purchase!" :)

Except that you don’t pay for OSX upgrades.

Unless the computer you are upgrading is more than what? 3 revisions old OSX wise? Seems analogous to Service Packs doesn't it?

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by tux05 »

So profit w low market share, thats just doomed to lose marketshare and profit, nice formula :D specially w/o including MS. On the other hand Free OSX? who cares, their file system is just horrid. Better start praying for another iPod idea Apple, or you will become Sega so fast not even Sonic ll be able to catch you.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

protomyth wrote: post #51
guelo wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're worried the 2014 model has been influenced by liberals and it doesn't pollute enough.

No, they're worried that the new construction is not as durable as the old construction. There are some fairly major changes such as moving to unibody aluminum from a ladder-frame steel. Fundamental changes tend to illicit worries in something that is as well known, used, and liked. Surprises are unwelcome in tools. Your statement is just ill-informed crap that disparages others.

The frame on the new F150 is still steel, it's the body that's changing to aluminum. It's still using a steel ladder frame design, although they're using a higher strength steel to remove some of the weight from the frame.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by MaysonL »

aestra wrote: post #19
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #11

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Because... Reasons... The headline doesn't look as clickbait-y otherwise most likely. Or because Microsoft doesn't make "PCs"(well not really) and Mac does. But MS does make devices/phones/Xbox (which is a PC in console's clothing). Edit: I'm glad that they at least lump it in with PCs now though... It used to be that people would get angry if you called their Apple Computer a PC. But now that they are just Intel PCs…

>It used to be that people would get angry if you called their Apple Computer a PC People still get angry if you call their Apple branded personal computer a PC and will argue with you forever about why it isn't one. It makes as much sense as saying the iPhone isn't a phone and the iPad isn't a tablet.

It does amuse me when people refuse to lump iPads in with PC's (which points up the fact that Apple is by far the leading PC vendor).

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by protomyth »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #56
protomyth wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're worried that the new construction is not as durable as the old construction. There are some fairly major changes such as moving to unibody aluminum from a ladder-frame steel. Fundamental changes tend to illicit worries in something that is as well known, used, and liked. Surprises are unwelcome in tools. Your statement is just ill-informed crap that disparages others.

The frame on the new F150 is still steel, it's the body that's changing to aluminum. It's still using a steel ladder frame design, although they're using a higher strength steel to remove some of the weight from the frame.

No, they switched to a unibody aluminum http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_news_130401_...

(although I did say 2014 for year when I should have said 2015 model released in 2014 - friggin car years)

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by charleswalter »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #47
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #18

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Someone has to be the 'professional' for someone else to be the 'hipster'. Comparison is important to Apple's brand. Unless I was reading those John Hodgeman commercials all wrong.

Please don't dignify trolls with an answer. Just downvote them and move on.

This is not a troll. You have to be legitimately stupid to be in such a position of power as Microsoft, and then to waste it all and to voluntarily hand it over to Apple.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by webwright »

gress wrote: post #39
webwright wrote: post #31

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>In the end what matters in business is sustainable profit not marketshare. With network effects and other market effects, sacrificing profit for marketshare for years/decades might be the longer/smarter play. For example, Amazon is happy to undercut their competition and lose money for years. Is that a bad decision? Remains to be seen, but if they'd focused on sustainable profit, I suspect they'd have a lot more com…

It sounds as though you think the best way to impact more lives is to use predatory pricing to drive the competition out of business in order to establish a monopoly. It's logically true that this might work as a strategy, but it's rather depressing.

Walmart certainly takes it to predatory levels. I only used them as an example of what can happen to businesses that focus on "sustainable profit" above all else.

I'm not sure the strategy of "earn zero-to-no profit to gain market share and scare away potential competitors" is inherently evil or predatory (though it certainly can be).

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