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Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by cobrophy »

gst wrote: post #32
dreen wrote: post #12

Developer here looking to possibly relocate from London to Berlin or other German (or Dutch) place, I have a question for anyone filling out this poll: I spend on avarage about £700 a month excluding rent, which allows for relatively comfortable life in London. What spending can I expect in Berlin? What about rent? (I pay £425 which is pretty cheap for London)

In which part of London do you get an apartment for £425? I had the impression that you have to pay at least 3x that amount to get a reasonable apartment in a somewhat central place.

I pay a similar amount sharing with two friends in Clapham/Balham. It helps that we've been in the same place for 4 years so the rent hasn't gone up too much over that period.

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by levosmetalo »

wisienkas wrote: post #44

those answering less than 20k euro, how did you manage to get paid that low. To me coming from denmark, that more sound as if it's a monthly salary compared to "starter-salary" in denmark which is 35k DKK or 4,7k euro a month.

Or they simply misread the question and reported after tax salary.

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by peterjmag »

phazmatis wrote: post #36

A little off-topic, but how hard is it for a US citizen interested in having lived in two countries in his life to get a dev job in the EU? I imagine most devs that come in from another country are coming from at least within the EU, and I was just wondering how unheard-of my case would be.

I can't speak for the rest of the EU (I'm a US citizen working in Berlin), but it's definitely not unheard of here in Germany. In fact, it's actually becoming pretty common, thanks in part to some progressive immigration reform.

Here's a comment I posted a couple months back with more information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6648443. Feel free also to get in touch (my email's in my profile) if you want some more advice.

Anyway, I say go for it! It'll be the best decision you've ever made. :-)

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by nader »

ido wrote: post #47
nader wrote: post #40

Avg. rent in Berlin is €1000, Avg. Lunch 8€, Beer 0.80€, Internet €23 ... more info here: http://bondero.com/startup-cost-comparison

Average rent in Berlin is not 1000 eur...Oh, I see they say it's for 85 m^2 in the city center. That's extremely roomy for a single person or a couple.

Rent has exploded in Berlin and is continuing to climb in Berlin. Also if you look outside the city center, i.e. in Friedrichshain, Kreuzberg oder Prenzlauer Berg.

As single developer you wouldn't need 85qm, true. As a couple you probably want to have min. 50-60qm. My personal taste obviously, but I have a family with two kids and we need more than that :)

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by rglullis »

Don't mean to pollute all threads with salaryshare stuff, but the tool is so appropriate for this use-case...

I've created a salary pool at http://salaryshare.me/a9f54a571d1b0d89a47ee481a61b0da4. Please only post a salary if you are full-time employed in Berlin. Those who only want to see the results, please check http://salaryshare.me/a9f54a571d1b0d89a47ee481a61b0da4/resul....

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by tinkerdol »

peterjmag wrote: post #53
phazmatis wrote: post #36

A little off-topic, but how hard is it for a US citizen interested in having lived in two countries in his life to get a dev job in the EU? I imagine most devs that come in from another country are coming from at least within the EU, and I was just wondering how unheard-of my case would be.

I can't speak for the rest of the EU (I'm a US citizen working in Berlin), but it's definitely not unheard of here in Germany. In fact, it's actually becoming pretty common, thanks in part to some progressive immigration reform. Here's a comment I posted a couple months back with more information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6648443 . Feel free also to get in touch (my email's in my profile) if you want some…

Also relevant: http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/

(American junior developer/researcher outside of Frankfurt here -- also very happy)

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by doktrin »

mahyarm wrote: post #43
cake wrote: post #6

3 points for "€100k or more" already sounds like bullshit to me at this time. Either that or I would love to hear what you do !

That is a pretty standard wage for a sr. developer in the SFBA. Big reason why I'm not moving to europe any time soon.

$140k is standard for a developer in the bay area?

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineer salaries in Berlin

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Post by playing_colours »

nader wrote: post #40

Avg. rent in Berlin is €1000, Avg. Lunch 8€, Beer 0.80€, Internet €23 ... more info here: http://bondero.com/startup-cost-comparison

That "average" is not really average. Current info for 2 rooms flat not in the very centre, but some stations from it - EUR 650-800 incl. heating. In fact, you don't have to live in the very centre (Mitte). The public transport system is amazing, the city is very bike-friendly and a lot of startup companies tend to have offices in the eastern part of Berlin.

UPD: well, for a large flat in the city centre that's a fair price, but that's not average for Berlin.

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