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Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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One of the world's most complex engineering challenges, filled with tens of thousands of highly engineered parts and tens of millions of lines of code, with per unit pricing ranging from $10k to $100k+, is a "commodity"? The term "commodity" typically refers to products that feature little to no differentiation between each other. It means you could largely "throw a dart" to pick one, and you'd be no better or worse…

the same model car across different dealerships is a commodity. that's why carwoo was great, it helps you run a commodity auction to get the best price.

Right. The problem is that most people have no idea which car to get. "Honey, this one has a nicer GPS system, but that one has a moonroof! Oh, but this one has symmetric all wheel drive. I don't know what that is but it sounds impressive. Or wait, this other one has a SH-AWD... and this one has X-Drive. You know what, I'll take the moonroof!"

The sales staff are not competing against other dealerships of the same maker. They are competing against other makes. They are really selling you the brand.

Having said that, I think it's stupid that once you know the exact make and model you still need to deal with the sales staff. At that point, just give me the best price you have. You know what it is, you know what your competitors are doing. Why are we still talking?

Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but the landscape is changing. One of the big changes is that much more of the salesperson's income comes from salary and not commission. This is good. This means less sneaky tactics. Also, lots of dealerships now have an Internet department which will give you a quote online that is likely pretty close to your final offer. It's still worth trying to haggle, but lots of them don't have time for this: they simply give you an offer that's low enough to where you might actually just take it.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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The TrueCar homepage ( http://www.truecar.com/ ) looks like one of those generic 404/squatter page.

Oh wow, I wonder when and why they started using this design? If I saw this without already knowing about TrueCar I would have immediately closed the tab.

Yeah, it's mostly the top banner that's the problem. With the large stock image that may or may not be about buying a car and the set of links that are sort of relevant to what you want. Scrolling further, the content looks more legitimate. Had I not just read that article, I wouldn't have gone beyond the top banner.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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Not haggling for cars is IMHO definitely anti-consumer. That's the last bastion of defense a buyer has against a giant information void they are facing. Square 6-12 dealerships against each other in a deathmatch for your money and watch the price drop. Until actual sales prices start being disclosed (not the meaningless invoices or the less than useless MSRP), we will never know the true price of a car. It's a one sided market. The only advantage a buyer has is the ability to make dealers compete.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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The TrueCar homepage ( http://www.truecar.com/ ) looks like one of those generic 404/squatter page.

Those generic parked domain pages are heavily A/B tested and iterated to achieve maximum revenue per user.

What this tells me is TrueCar probably has a pretty solid layout that gets users to click and start the process.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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The TrueCar homepage ( http://www.truecar.com/ ) looks like one of those generic 404/squatter page.

Oh wow, I wonder when and why they started using this design? If I saw this without already knowing about TrueCar I would have immediately closed the tab.

I think their most common channels are cars.overstock.com, as well as americanexpress.com partnerships, you wouldn't be actually visiting truecar.com.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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Anyone have any experiences with Truecar?

I don't but they are an awesome team. I use to go to their Ruby meetups and they are so nice to the developer community. One of the guys showed a demo of how awesome VIM is and was compelling enough that I converted and I never looked back.

http://www.meetup.com/sfruby/venue/?sort=date&desc=1&venueId...

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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Not haggling for cars is IMHO definitely anti-consumer. That's the last bastion of defense a buyer has against a giant information void they are facing. Square 6-12 dealerships against each other in a deathmatch for your money and watch the price drop. Until actual sales prices start being disclosed (not the meaningless invoices or the less than useless MSRP), we will never know the true price of a car. It's a one si…

It's not like TrueCar and Costco don't exist.

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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I have a fond memory of going with my roommate when he was buying a new car. He had a decent amount to give as a down payment. Armed with the knowledge of how much the dealer pays, he basically walked in, said he'd buy a certain car for a certain amount and not more and handed them his down payment check. The salesman took the offer to his manager. He returned with a counter offer. My roommate didn't budge. After thr…

On a similar note, here's a technique I've heard described (although I haven't actually tried it). Go in to a dealership, haggle a bit, and if you don't get the price you want, say "OK, I'm going to go out and do some more shopping... here's my card, give me a call if you change your mind". Apparently just the threat of walking away will sometimes prompt some movement, and if you do walk out, you'll sometimes get a c…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiate...

Re: CarWoo is shutting down

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I was totally going to use them to buy a car next month! Are there any good alternatives? I can't handle anymore haggling and tricks.

If you're planning to finance, TrueCar's whitelabel through PenFed Credit Union offers 0% financing for cars bought through them https://www.penfed.org/PenFed-Car-Buying-Service/?WT.ac=1242
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