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Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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1.) Kill LendingTree by creating a service that actually lives up to their slogan "When banks compete, you win". In reality, signing up with LendingTree will just get you aggressively harassed by "Boiler Room" salesmen offering terms worse than whichever bank holds your checking account. 2.) Anything to simplify / make comprehensible the mountain of paperwork that accompanies every transaction around mortgages. 3.) O…

1) "Carwoo for mortgages" I like it. LendingTree is analogous to TrueCar in this situation.

Except in my experience, Carwoo doesn't work (and just ends up like what incision said for #1 above).

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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This is a classic case of where the kinds of technical founders that cruise HN shouldn't be trying to invent their own thing, but rather find a boring "business" subject matter expert as a co-founder. There are lots and lots of these things, where businesspeople see a gap that can be solved by tech but don't have the skills to do it. My advice to all the kids out of college who want to be startup founders - don't try…

Commenting on two things here.

First on beat's comment: In ~2001, I wrote a Palm Pilot app for real estate agents. My mom's one, and I watched what she did during the day and tried to make a simple, easy to use app that managed the entire sales process for her. It had a workflow for the entire sales pipeline, from prospects to closing. It kept every detail of every stage, with a field for everything, and even had a built-in mortgage calculator. I even put the majority of the stuff in a library, and made the app a thin configuration of the library's components, so that I could launch similar products to other kinds of sales agents. It had customized widgets that made great use of screen real estate.

Sales were terrible (total in my life was $50). I learned, too late for me to listen, that most real estate agents at the time, in my area, were over the age of 50. Many couldn't read normal-sized text on the Palm Pilot without glasses, and few were likely to spend $400 on a handheld device when they could take notes with pen and paper.

On the list of mistakes: First, clearly, I over-engineered against a very low-fidelity model. I only had one sample of data (my mom), and built too large a product against a small amount of data. Second, my data was biased, my mom didn't want to discourage me when she couldn't read the screen. I should've noticed that she had to stop and put her glasses on every time. Third, having over-engineered, I went further and tried to generalize the code to a library, even though I didn't know how applicable any of it was to even one market, much less the larger class of markets.

Second comment. On the pegged webserver that's preventing me from reading the article: First, really, just loadtest your webserver. It's not hard, try apache bench ("ab") as a starting point. Second, shut off unnecessary parts when they're being slow (like analytics), a database access for comments, etc. Load them asynchronously from JS (putting the CPU load on the client), and let the page render when you get back an error or timeout. Unless the primary content on the page is dynamic, the page should get to the client without any I/O except for the NIC.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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This is a classic case of where the kinds of technical founders that cruise HN shouldn't be trying to invent their own thing, but rather find a boring "business" subject matter expert as a co-founder. There are lots and lots of these things, where businesspeople see a gap that can be solved by tech but don't have the skills to do it. My advice to all the kids out of college who want to be startup founders - don't try…

So the funny thing for me is I'm the one who works in commercial real estate, know the problems deeply, and have little technical experience other than reading HN. So how do you reverse cruise HN to find the technical cofounder to build out the solutions to our RE problems? I literally sit within a company run by excel spreadsheets, talk on a phone with brokers, manage market information via printed pdfs of comps, ma…

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Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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> A few year ago, it was very difficult to bring your computer on a construction site. Pardon? Rugged computers (like business Thinkpads and Toughbooks) have existed for far more than a decade. I would more readily take such a thing to a construction site than an iDevice or an Android tablet.

Yes, of course, you could bring your computer but it is not at all the same to carry an heavy computer or to have a smart phone in your pocket. For instance, you can use your phone or your tablet all along the site during a handover to take notes and pictures. It is a lot more difficult to do that with a computer

Your point about tiny, portable cameras is well taken. OTOH, tiny point-and-shoot cameras that fit in a shirt pocket have been around for ages, and are (for the picture quality) far cheaper than a phone.

The Toughbook CF-M34 (introduced no later than 1999... [That's almost a decade and a half ago.]) weighs four pounds (only 4x heavier than a current iPad, or 2.6x heavier than a first-gen iPad) and has a hand-strap [0][1]. Frankly, I'd almost always prefer to type one-handed than to use a software keyboard. If you've work gloves on, you're going to find it really tough to use a capacitive touchscreen. And, if you work in construction, you're probably strong enough to hold a four pound device out at arms length for extended periods. :)

The innovation that modern tablets brought to the world was not to make mobile computing easy, but to make a mobile computer that's nothing but screen. I don't know your personal history, but if you're an early twenty-something, you're likely to be unaware of much of the very useful portable computing that was done and continues to be done (without modern tablets and smartphones!) by folks who do and manage physical labor for a living.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toughbook-cf-m34_2.jpg

[1] http://static.miklos.ca/docs/panasonic_toughbook_cf-m34.pdf

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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So the funny thing for me is I'm the one who works in commercial real estate, know the problems deeply, and have little technical experience other than reading HN. So how do you reverse cruise HN to find the technical cofounder to build out the solutions to our RE problems? I literally sit within a company run by excel spreadsheets, talk on a phone with brokers, manage market information via printed pdfs of comps, ma…

I'd suggest adding contact info to your profile and talking about your problems here. Hopefully you'll pique some interest and have some email waiting later.

Contact Info done. Sorry about missing day-one stuff.

Since ideas are a dime a dozen: Glassdoor for Apartment Rentals: Tenants give their address and rent amount per month in exchange for access to everyone else's data. Know what other people are actually renting for, not landlord asking rates. Why is there no data on what your neighbor just signed his lease for?

Angelist for Real Estate

Imgur for Excel

Nextdoor for Office Buildings

I got loads more...got to be something worth making in there... :)

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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Handling the paperwork in a secure, regulation-friendly way would go a long way to improving the experience of purchasing property. I was surprised that my realtor, lawyer and mortgage broker all asked me to email sensitive financial information without any encryption and believed that a signature on a piece of paper is better than the cryptographic alternatives available today (which they don't even know about). Esp…

I initially felt the same way as you about emailing documents and stuff when buying my house; but I figured that no matter how much trouble I put myself through, it wouldn't stop those others from emailing and faxing my stuff to here, there, and yonder.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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Online rent payment. Rent and taxes are my only regular expenses that aren't automatically deducted from my credit card or bank account. And even the IRS accepts online (albeit manual) payments. In fact, rent is the only reason I have a paper checkbook at all. It's an easy win on both sides. In exchange for letting me schedule automatic payments, my landlord could get much more timely payments. I think I'm reasonably…

Rent payment companies are a dime a dozen. The problem is no one wants to pay to process a rent payment (landlord or renter) and renters appreciate the control they have in writing a check each month. Plus, your bank probably offers free bill payment. Have you checked that out?

What control does a renter really have? If you don't pay your rent on time, you're going to have a bad time.

Re: Why Real Estate Tech Is So Attractive For Founders

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Residential real estate is decidedly unprestigious, a business that hurts people-- just look at what house prices and rents have done over the past 20 years-- and the major benefit of working in it, as the OP argues, is that it lacks hard technical problems. There will still be hard problems to solve, but they'll be people problems: dealing with incompetent but powerful management companies, blowback from very rich entrenched interests, etc.

Smart competition isn't that scary. I'd rather have smart competitors and learn a lot even if I lose, than work in a world where stupid people have all the power. If you go into the dark recesses of residential real estate, you'll find that it's not smart-people-friendly. Residential RE might be one area where average-to-stupid people have an edge, because they're closer to the animalistic instincts (i.e. the 86th floor being twice as valuable than the functionally equivalent 85th because it's "the top") that drive it.

It might be attractive to business co-founders looking to build something boring and flip it, but it's not going to get class-A technical co-founders.

This space has the lack-of-upside that would cause VCs to deride it as a "lifestyle business", but because of all the un-fun shit that humans throw up when it comes to land and housing (people get really ugly when that stuff is at stake) it wouldn't have the subjective benefits.

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