Having used the internet for the last maybe 16 years, I've seen a lot of disturbing shit but I could not finish watching this.
Secret State of North Korea [video]
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Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#52In case you can't watch it, here's a mirror: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:58d690227d4c88ba52673db6c5b08201150266c2&dn=frontline-northkorea.mp4&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
Thanks!
yay censorship
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#53Blocked outside of the USA it seems. For a video about smuggled footage out of North Korea I find it a bit ironic.
Quite frankly I find those regional restrictions as big a threat to the internet as all the net neutrality issues discussed lately.
The internet shouldn't have borders.
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#54All they need are data-phones and sims. Soon they will have the ability to communicate with less risk and in "town square" web venues like twitter and forums. I think it's a hard counter to the situation there. Collapse in under 5 years.
One of the things that occurred to me was that flooding the market with cheap Android tablets/smartphones would be pretty interesting.
Even more interesting would be if they came w/ Chinese/South Korean sim cards w/ data plans - I assume that if you're close enough to the border you'd be able to get reception and you wouldn't have to worry so much about your data being intercepted on the NK network (I doubt they'd provide a data gateway anyway).
You could preload Kakaotalk/Webo accounts and like some sort of secure chat to communicate securely w/ the defector network. You could have some sort of anonymous/pseudonymous Twitter like app as well, although the most important thing is to recognize/warn people that it'd be completely infiltrated and not to post any identifying information. A mesh 4chan-like message board might be perfect.
You'd want to provide preloaded media (and like a dump of Korean Wikipedia?) and also have USB OTG adapter for those devices as well so they could easily load new pirated media... Heck, as long as those devices had MicroSD cards that'd make all that smuggling a heckuva lot easier.
Google says North Korea's population is only 25M people. That's tiny. At say $100/pop you could produce devices for say 20% of the population for $500M. You'd have to strike a balance of trickling in devices so it doesn't get immediately cracked down vs getting to that critical mass where so many people have them that it can't be.
Anyway, that sounds like a relatively cheap way to topple a pretty terrible regime/uplift a society, to me, but well, it's never been tried before.
Maybe double that price and include smuggling in some guns and ammo w/ the devices just in case it does come to a violent revolution though...
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#55Towards the end of the film, they come to the conclusion that even though the collective mindset of NK citizens is changing, it won't necessarily result in a cultural revolution. It seems the primary thing keeping real change from happening is that North Koreans can't trust their family friends to not turn them in, and if they do somehow know who to trust, they can't gather in groups to talk or organize any activitie…
At some point, in order for change to actually occur, things would have to move "off-line" and people would be forced to meet in public, wouldn't they? Assuming the group had been infiltrated (or monitored), it seems like that might very well be the end of the group.
I think that in the NK scenario, meeting offline would be one of the last things that would happen. Just being able to anonymously communicate with each other would be pretty revolutionary, as so much of the way the society functions is based on lies that unravel once people can access/share/discuss outside information.
It seems like once there's enough popular support, it'd be a lot easier - there are a lot more of the populace than the ruling class?
Cory Doctorow actually writes the most plausible scenario (and pitfalls) of bootstrapped online/offline coordination that I've read in Little Brother... based on how NK works, infiltration of any group, infiltration is probably a given. The real question would be whether the gov't could respond if the majority of the population were all conspiring in groups. Are there enough secret police to execute/arrest everyone all at once?
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#56In case you can't watch it, here's a mirror: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:58d690227d4c88ba52673db6c5b08201150266c2&dn=frontline-northkorea.mp4&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
Thanks for this, was having trouble finding it on tpb
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being in the United States, I get the same treatment when I want to watch bbc programs (blocked for not being in the UK). It's understandable, since they're supported by taxpayer money, but it would be nice if there was a way to pay for it if you don't live within the country. I wish both PBS and the bbc would jump into the 21st century and give those outside of each respective country an option to purchase a subscri…
You're not blocked for not being in the UK, you are blocked for being in the US. And the UK is blocked too (well, it depends on which BBC channel you are talking about).
> And the UK is blocked too (well, it depends on which BBC channel you are talking about)
Odd, I thought the entire UK was granted access, so long as they paid their "television tax" or whatever they call it now. How/Why does such additional blocking happen if that is not the case? Just curious.
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#58All they need are data-phones and sims. Soon they will have the ability to communicate with less risk and in "town square" web venues like twitter and forums. I think it's a hard counter to the situation there. Collapse in under 5 years.
i think you underestimate the degree of control the state has (data-phones? what data? what network?), as well as the extent of brainwashing of the population
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#59Blocked outside of the USA it seems. For a video about smuggled footage out of North Korea I find it a bit ironic. Quite frankly I find those regional restrictions as big a threat to the internet as all the net neutrality issues discussed lately. The internet shouldn't have borders.
You can use Unlocator (http://unlocator.com/) to get around it. I've been using this for a number of months, and highly recommend it. (And for now, at least, it's free!)
This is a practical workaround for what I agree is a stupid policy.
Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]
#60If you're interested in North Korea (and I find myself increasingly fascinated by it, perhaps because it's so different from anything I've ever experienced), you should read Nothing to Envy (http://nothingtoenvy.com/), which describes life in North Korea and the ways in which people manage to escape.
This was one of those books that had me saying, out loud, "Wow, I can't believe it!" on nearly every page. It gave me a lot of insight into how they live, and how hard it'll be for the regime there to change. It also made me feel quite sorry for the people who are forced to live in North Korea, who suffer starvation and abuse (physical and psychological) for the sake of the regime.