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such ignorant, so confuse, nice doge wow
And this is why I'm not taking anybody serious using that meme. Using it is saying "look at me, I am retarded".
140 char limited tweets. So smart. So cool. Wow.
Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.
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CSWE is hard to express yourself in This claim baffles and infuriates me.
It's natural to express my opinions and experiences in a first-person account including emotions. That kind of thing isn't allowed in Wikipedia or textbooks, and is generally discouraged in the NYT and school essays.
Write a novel, or poetry, or whatever form you find appropriate. I do disagree with the notion that one can't express oneself without resorting to colloqialisms, but on the other hand I have no problem with using such devices for self-expression if they're what works best. On the other hand, when I read a newspaper like the NYT, I'm not interested in the authenticity of the writers' self-expression; I want a clear and dispassionate report or analysis of current events, just as in an essay I want an exploration of a particular topic.
I'm afraid I find the entire Techcrunch article redolent of neo-Marxist critical theory, which I think is intellectually bankrupt and antithetical to progress, and which brings on an overwhelming desire to projectile vomit upon its nearest exponent, so I'm a touch biased about this.
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That's correct for dealing with the Doge of Venice, but there are many words in English that have multiple pronunciations depending on their individual meaning. In this canine context you really have to start from 'dog.'
I'll happily argue that, regardless of the path by which a given meme's promulgators happened to stumble upon an actual English word of whose existence they were (and perhaps still are) entirely ignorant, the established pronunciation is correct nonetheless. Besides, if you start from /dɔːg/, you more or less invariably end up at /dɔːgə/ or /doʊgə/, both of which are so ugly to speak and to hear that arguing against…
The existing word Doge is Italian and describes the rulers of a particular few Italian city states, so I don't think generalizing from that makes much sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge
I personally pronounce mem-Doge as Doggie, which I find an amusing parallel to the grammatical mismatches upon which the humor depends.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's natural to express my opinions and experiences in a first-person account including emotions. That kind of thing isn't allowed in Wikipedia or textbooks, and is generally discouraged in the NYT and school essays.
Write a novel, or poetry, or whatever form you find appropriate. I do disagree with the notion that one can't express oneself without resorting to colloqialisms, but on the other hand I have no problem with using such devices for self-expression if they're what works best. On the other hand, when I read a newspaper like the NYT, I'm not interested in the authenticity of the writers' self-expression; I want a clear an…
It's not just colloquialisms, but entire dialects, that are not allowed. A small subset of the population just declared that they way they write and speak is "correct" and everyone else is inferior simply because it is different.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll happily argue that, regardless of the path by which a given meme's promulgators happened to stumble upon an actual English word of whose existence they were (and perhaps still are) entirely ignorant, the established pronunciation is correct nonetheless. Besides, if you start from /dɔːg/, you more or less invariably end up at /dɔːgə/ or /doʊgə/, both of which are so ugly to speak and to hear that arguing against…
The existing word Doge is Italian and describes the rulers of a particular few Italian city states, so I don't think generalizing from that makes much sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge I personally pronounce mem-Doge as Doggie, which I find an amusing parallel to the grammatical mismatches upon which the humor depends.
Doge is indeed originally an Italian word, but it's also a loanword in English [1], this being of course the entire basis on which rests my argument above. And I try not to pronounce the meme version at all.
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#57Apparently language standards are racist/classist/whatever against everyone except the people who made the standard. Damn those British, oppressing me with spellings like "theatre" and "dialogue".
Not quite; there seems an implicit claim that oppressiveness exists along a gradient which, I can hardly resist observing, correlates closely with the average skin tone of those who employ a given dialect. On one end of this gradient, Wallace's "Standard White English" oppresses basically everyone on the planet save its few most fluent speakers; on the other, I've never seen anyone even try to make a claim of oppress…
John Zerzan claims that all language is inherently oppressive.
Not that I agree, but there you are.
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Not quite; there seems an implicit claim that oppressiveness exists along a gradient which, I can hardly resist observing, correlates closely with the average skin tone of those who employ a given dialect. On one end of this gradient, Wallace's "Standard White English" oppresses basically everyone on the planet save its few most fluent speakers; on the other, I've never seen anyone even try to make a claim of oppress…
John Zerzan claims that all language is inherently oppressive. Not that I agree, but there you are.
From what I can tell, he seems to claim that everything since the invention of agriculture is inherently oppressive.
I suppose it's a point of view.