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Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by veidr »

justinmk wrote: post #39
redhatstory wrote: post #23

In the beginning, there was Red Hat Linux[1]. It was sold in boxes at stores such as CompUSA (remember?) but was also available for free download from Red Hat. Then, Red Hat decided they could make more money by spinning off Red Hat Linux into a separate enterprise-only product called Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), which they declined to make available for free in a ready-to-install binary form. Fedora[2] was also…

Red Hat is one of the most prolific single-entity contributors to open source in the history of open source. I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation that should be the target of said FOSS people's flung shit. By the way, what did Firefox do to live down its IceWeasel[1] infamy? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

> I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil

Why do you find it odd when it is succinctly explained in the comment to which you are replying?

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by ghshephard »

cookiecaper wrote: post #50
justinmk wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red Hat is one of the most prolific single-entity contributors to open source in the history of open source. I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation that should be the target of said FOSS people's flung shit. By the way, what did Firefox do to live down its IceWeasel[1] infamy? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

The Firefox trademark dispute is not the same thing. Red Hat was attempting to keep their product from the open-source homebrew market -- they wanted to charge money for their software, and did this as far as the license would allow. Red Hat was as hostile as legally permissible to anyone trying to circumvent this, like CentOS. Mozilla simply claimed that the Firefox trademark cannot be applied to any codebase that M…

"Red Hat was attempting to keep their product from the open-source homebrew market "

Nothing would make Red Hat happier than having every hacker under the sun using Red Hat - what they were attempting to do was keep the enterprise customers, who were currently paying $1000+/CPU (or so) go with a free alternative and kill their company.

Simply removing three things allowed them to do that: (1) No RHN/Up2Date available for Centos, (2) No Support, (3) Most importantly, absolutely no mention or reference to "Redhat" Trademarks.

Centos had everything else.

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

#54

Post by undoware »

BCM43 wrote: post #32
Nux wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do come back, it's better than the competition nowadays. :)

How so?

I'm not sure what the OP 'mergy' intended, but I'd guess that the intended reason had to do with better ecosystem curation. Under the hood, my understanding is that .rpm is marginally inferior to .dpkg, but not remarkably so. E.g. using cpio instead of gz as the format basis. So by elimination, the only reason to prefer .rpm would be the rpms, if you follow.

As a longtime Fedora user and a recent emigre (post-Snowden) to OpenSuSE, I agree that there is much to love about the selection of RPMs available, especially under Fedora. Although I'm sticking with suse for the lightning-fast zypper (still noticably faster than yum or even its slated nextgen replacement dnf!) and well-thought-out snapper utilities. But that is OT.

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

#55

Post by cowsandmilk »

1angdon wrote: post #47
lvillani wrote: post #7

I really wish that, when RHEL/CentOS branches from Fedora to make a new release, they would also keep and provide a snapshot of Fedora's repository at that time, just like what Ubuntu does when they sync with Debian Sid (i.e.: packages in 'main' and 'restricted' repos are supported, all other packages in the Debian archive are imported and made available in 'universe' and 'multiverse' repository for your convenience)…

OT: Software Collections lets you get Python 2.7 and even 3.3 on RHEL and CentOS 6 :)

and gcc 4.8 [1]

[1] https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_D...

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by jebblue »

ciupicri wrote: post #52
mergy wrote: post #18

Now if they can just get rid of RPM I might come back!

What's wrong with RPM?

For me in past years on Red Hat, Fedora and SuSE the RPM repos have a way of corrupting themselves almost irreparably. On Ubuntu (Debian based) if things go wrong I've always been able to run a few commands and get things nice and stable again.

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by ams6110 »

justinmk wrote: post #39
redhatstory wrote: post #23

In the beginning, there was Red Hat Linux[1]. It was sold in boxes at stores such as CompUSA (remember?) but was also available for free download from Red Hat. Then, Red Hat decided they could make more money by spinning off Red Hat Linux into a separate enterprise-only product called Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), which they declined to make available for free in a ready-to-install binary form. Fedora[2] was also…

Red Hat is one of the most prolific single-entity contributors to open source in the history of open source. I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation that should be the target of said FOSS people's flung shit. By the way, what did Firefox do to live down its IceWeasel[1] infamy? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation

Indeed, the success of Linux in the enterprise owes a lot to Red Hat, as they gave enterprises the sort of consistent, corporate-buzzword-compliant support agreements that removed a lot of the scariness that would otherwise impede use of Linux for "important" services.

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by justinmk »

veidr wrote: post #51
justinmk wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red Hat is one of the most prolific single-entity contributors to open source in the history of open source. I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation that should be the target of said FOSS people's flung shit. By the way, what did Firefox do to live down its IceWeasel[1] infamy? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

> I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil Why do you find it odd when it is succinctly explained in the comment to which you are replying?

GP doesn't "explain" why RH is evil. Discomfiting legal maneuvers do not cancel their thousands of commits to the Linux kernel, init.d, GWT, Cygwin (!), etc.

Re: CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

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Post by ams6110 »

ciupicri wrote: post #52
mergy wrote: post #18

Now if they can just get rid of RPM I might come back!

What's wrong with RPM?

My impression is that they got a bad rep long ago before there were decent package managers. As I recall, you had to install dependencies manually and updating a system could get nightmarish. Nothing really wrong with rpm as a package technology per-se, but before yum it was a lot less friendly.
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