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Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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I've yet to see a broken lightning connector personally of the 20-30 devices I've seen/used, but I can't say the same of USB. There are sample descrepencies of course, as USB has been around long, but saying the Lightning connector isn't durable is pretty much flat out the opposite opinion of most impressions/experiences, and sounds more like a paid spam-pinion without evidence supporting any specific issues.

The connector is durable but the cable leading up to it isn't. I can of course only speak anecdotally, but I've gone through 4 lightning cables in a year and a half, the kicker being that they're not by any measure cheap (AUD$25). My first one took less than a week to become unusable.

The cable itself is a whole nother story(and actually shared between the 30 pin.). Your post implies the connector sucks, when infact its probably one of the best connectors I have ever seen IMO.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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Ugh no thanks. Lightning is orders of magnitude superior to other current solutions (except cost). If it came to the point where this was actually enforced, I bet Apple would just pay the fines it receives and just continues to use Lightning.

Just like AirPrint (IPP), AirPlay (DLNA), AirDrop (Bluetooth/OBEX), Facetime etc... Basically as usual, it's Apple and everyone else . I'll stick with my USB charger thanks as it is 100% ubiquitous as I will my Internet Printing Protocol, DLNA (which doesn't even require an Apple box to talk to my TV!) and bluetooth that works properly across all devices I've encountered. Edit to add: I have 3 Lightning iPads in my h…

I've literally handled hundreds of second-hand iPads (I traded them for a while), and none of the lightning cables had issues. I'd venture to guess there's something wrong in your house rather than the with the cables.

I've seen tons of dock connector issues with broken ports, but none with lightning so far.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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Just like AirPrint (IPP), AirPlay (DLNA), AirDrop (Bluetooth/OBEX), Facetime etc... Basically as usual, it's Apple and everyone else . I'll stick with my USB charger thanks as it is 100% ubiquitous as I will my Internet Printing Protocol, DLNA (which doesn't even require an Apple box to talk to my TV!) and bluetooth that works properly across all devices I've encountered. Edit to add: I have 3 Lightning iPads in my h…

So stick with whatever you want, but what gives you the right to demand that by law, Apple must support your preferred charger configuration? If you don't like what Apple has to offer, vote with your wallet and choose a different vendor.

I think it's a good thing, to avoid the rampant NIH-ism and vendor lock-in which seems to permeate the industry.

Sony is a good example - look at their MiniDisc fiasco (I owned several MiniDisc devices), or their MemoryStick format.

Just use a open format like SD, and stick to it.

Or look at every single phone manufacturer back in the early 2000's, that had to invent their own (usually) inferior charging standard, in some misguided hope you'd stick with them due to all the chargers you'd bought.

Or the proliferation of laptop charging standards/pins.

Guys - we're delivering power to a portable devices - it's not like we're designing the bloody ISS.

Yes, I can admire the engineering that goes into say, the Lightning adapter being reversible.

But look at all the ridiculousness of Apple's previous 30-pin connector. They could have just used USB. But then the Apple fans goes "But...but....you can't use TV out!". Yeah, well, the Samsung Galaxy II and MHL would disagree with you.

And look at their MagSafe versus MagSafe 2 connectors - they had to change their entire adapter and make it incompatible just to make it what, 2mm thinner?

And even though I don't own an iDevices, I think it's absurd that Apple charges "licensing" fees to use it's connector, and needs to add in "authentication" chips. Really?

This is as bad as inkjet manufacturers like Lexmark putting in authentication chips to their ink catridges.

Same sort of proprietary vendor lock-in nonsense.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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The connector is durable but the cable leading up to it isn't. I can of course only speak anecdotally, but I've gone through 4 lightning cables in a year and a half, the kicker being that they're not by any measure cheap (AUD$25). My first one took less than a week to become unusable.

The cable itself is a whole nother story(and actually shared between the 30 pin.). Your post implies the connector sucks, when infact its probably one of the best connectors I have ever seen IMO.

I'm not the parent you're referring to. I think the connector is fine.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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afaik the law is already in place (apple pays some fees i suppose) and this is a more general law to generalize more chargers, connectors etc. That's why everyone else uses usb ports.

Apple supply a usb micro B adaptor with their products.

Only to people in europe.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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afaik the law is already in place (apple pays some fees i suppose) and this is a more general law to generalize more chargers, connectors etc. That's why everyone else uses usb ports.

Apple supply a usb micro B adaptor with their products.

only in europe and only with their phones (where they have to). ipads in europe also come without adaptors.

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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The question to ask is this: if this law were already in place, would Apple (or any manufacturer) ever innovate something like Lightning or the magnetic mac chargers, given that they then also have to support the common standard, putting them at a significant cost disadvantage? This kind of regulation, while arguably well-meaning, always seems to end up distorting market forces and discouraging innovation.

I tend to agree, given my small-l libertarian tendencies and my preference for letting people do whatever they want unless it hurts others. On the other hand, there are already scads of standards (including ones that essentially say you-must-do-it-exactly-like-this) for consumer products. And it's hard to see why it's a very big imposition to standardize the DC power supplies, if the AC power supplies are standardize…

At the end of the day it's all about interfaces and we should, as much as possible, decouple the interfaces from the house and from the appliances.

What I would love to see insofar as wall outlets is an adjustment of the current standard wall box and outlet+plate so that you could quickly replace the entire wall place in one go very quickly. With that innovation I would love to see the same on the appliance end where it is trivial to replace the entire code on an appliance. This already exists with IEC320, but if would be nice if everything used IEC320.

Then every 5-10 years the industry innovates to dramatically improve one end and then 5-10 years later works to dramatically improve the other end. This would give a very reasonabe 10-20 years between completely replacing all the appliances (or using adapters or switching neither), and 10-20 years between replacing all the wall plates. You wouldn't even necessarily have to upgrade every 10-20. If an appliance is working fine on an old appliance to cord standard or a cord to wall standard, you can leave things alone.

It was this interface approach that allowed Apple to have one dock connector for the longest time but many different shaped devices, since all that had to be done is replace the plastic dock insert [0].

This approach wouldn't work for cellphones and laptops, but should work swimmingly for 120v mains since space isn't at a premium except in the appliance.

[0] http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/...

Re: Common charger for all mobile phones on the way in Europe

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Just like AirPrint (IPP), AirPlay (DLNA), AirDrop (Bluetooth/OBEX), Facetime etc... Basically as usual, it's Apple and everyone else . I'll stick with my USB charger thanks as it is 100% ubiquitous as I will my Internet Printing Protocol, DLNA (which doesn't even require an Apple box to talk to my TV!) and bluetooth that works properly across all devices I've encountered. Edit to add: I have 3 Lightning iPads in my h…

Are you talking about first party connectors? We have projects in rural primary schools in Malawi and are yet to have single cable failure with our dozens of lightning iPads there.

Curious how the decision was made to go with Apple ipad vs a cheaper alternative for rural Malawi schools?
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