Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Sourcing.io

sourcing.io

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–59 of 59 posts

Re: Sourcing.io

#51

Post by poseid »

richardburton wrote: post #18
richo wrote: post #14

Right, so I'll just come right out and say this: What the flying fuck? I already get a TON of recruiterspam (much of it hilariously inaccurate, like offering me a relocation bonus to move to the city I was living in). Based on their "How do you find engineers" answer > We scour the web, and use multiple different sources of public data to find candidates. Next we put all that information through a variety of differen…

(I'm working on Sourcing.io.) We don't currently have a quick-and-easy way for you to opt out--we will do soon. If you'd like to email me on richard@sourcing.io I'd be more than happy to find your profile, show it to you, and remove it permanently. As an aside, we really hate recruiter spam too. We've just got started but our plan is to build a tool to help great recruiters manage engineer-to-engineer outreach--it's…

Just for understanding: What is a "great" recruiter in your view? So far, I haven't met any that did much more than making a phone call.

Re: Sourcing.io

#52

Post by nfoz »

X4 wrote: post #6
xerophtye wrote: post #3

I don't understand. They say "we find you developers from our database of 4 million devs" but later say that they find them from YOUR github/fb/linkedin/twitter connections? So is this a sort of web scraping tool?

Time for the damn GitHub to introduce more privacy, instead of putting all you ever do in a PUBLIC activity feed, with no opt out.

Time to stop using GitHub.

Re: Sourcing.io

#53

Post by nfoz »

richardburton wrote: post #29
edent wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Although, in the spirit of HN pedantry, I cannot re -join as I never joined in the first place. Please, I urge you to move to an opt-in only model. Otherwise you run the risk of being as despised as Klout and other similar forced participation sites.

Correct! That was not clear. I hope you'll forgive the transgression as I'm juggling a few forms of communication at the moment--this HN submission came out of the blue. I completely understand your perspective. The problem for companies who want to recruit great people is that most of them aren't looking for new a job (several studies put the percentage at around 80%). Therefore, companies are forced to reach out to…

> The problem for companies who want to recruit great people is that most of them aren't looking for new a job

Right, then they're not looking for a new job. What part of that do you not understand?

Re: Sourcing.io

#54

Post by nfoz »

richardburton wrote: post #27
joshlev wrote: post #10

won't this just enable recruiters to spam developers?

(I'm working on Sourcing.io.) While that is a possible outcome, we're working really hard to make sure that doesn't happen. We'd hate to be responsible for an increase in the volume of recruiter-spam sent to engineers every day. Although this isn't on the homepage, we are planning to add a set of tools so that engineers can manage their profiles and companies' technical recruiters can coordinate engineer-to-engineer…

So the answer is /yes/. Everyone you index has to know about you, and go to your website in order to opt them out of receiving emails they never asked to receive in the first place? That means it's spam.

Re: Sourcing.io

#55

Post by w0rd-driven »

I was expecting an ability to view the data not so much as a way to opt out, but to see if there's anything I could improve. Maybe something is public that is only hurting my "score" so to speak. Maybe the little I contribute to other OSS projects due to limited free time is hurting me more than I expect?

I purposefully went to the site hoping I could see something on myself without going behind a paywall. I'm starting a new gig on 1/6 and even if I weren't, I'm not quite the "target market." I do want to recommend this to the powers that be and hopefully use myself as a "control" to find a somewhat adequate replacement. I'm such a jack of all trades though that I'm afraid I may not be adequate for that either.

I do quite understand that $95/mo is much less than any recruiter fee over time so I completely understand the value of this service. It'll just be really hard to do a cold recommendation to have my soon-to-be-ex employer spend money on something they wouldn't be able to evaluate as easily as I can. I may be addressing problems Sourcing.io can't really speak to anyway. These may be "shoot ourselves in the foot" sort of issues no one can address but them.

Re: Sourcing.io

#56

Post by testing12341234 »

nfoz wrote: post #53
richardburton wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct! That was not clear. I hope you'll forgive the transgression as I'm juggling a few forms of communication at the moment--this HN submission came out of the blue. I completely understand your perspective. The problem for companies who want to recruit great people is that most of them aren't looking for new a job (several studies put the percentage at around 80%). Therefore, companies are forced to reach out to…

> The problem for companies who want to recruit great people is that most of them aren't looking for new a job Right, then they're not looking for a new job. What part of that do you not understand?

I'm not actively seeking new employment and am very happy at my current position. However, I am always (passively) interested in new opportunities, and am not going to ignore something awesome that falls in to my lap. A service like this is actually very valuable for someone like me.

That said, opt-in is the way to go. I definitely don't understand the seemingly contradictory point of view of them saying "we don't like recruiter spam either" and "we find ways for companies to send unsolicited requests".

So, I would fall under the categorization of "aren't looking for a new job", while at the same time don't agree with the opt-out (without an actual opt-out mechanism) nature of this service.

Re: Sourcing.io

#57

Post by w0rd-driven »

poseid wrote: post #50
mtrimpe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if it's universal (Dutch freelance IT); but I would loooove to have a tool that would: * broadcast my availability to a group of approved (company) recruiters * let recruiters propose companies to me (and have me list companies I already have contacts at or was introduced at.) * let me set up job interviews with the interesting opportunities * and, most importantly , let the recruiters/companies place bi…

That is an interesting idea to have some kind of broker platform where you trade skills against rates. I have been exploring a small job platform idea too, and maybe anyone out there wants to chat more?

During my latest round of searching for a new gig, I realized I could use an application to at least track the opportunities I had. If you juggle a bit of interviews at once it becomes a little difficult to keep things sane if you aren't careful. Having something to help me refine my crappy interviews or take adequate notes to realize the pros and cons for future endeavors would've been a godsend. I hadn't really done a lot of interviews for development shops around here so I had no clue what I was missing until I saw it first hand. I kept somewhat adequate notes in OneNote (yes, windows phone and yes I know I'm one of 3 users). I even made an Excel spreadsheet to keep most of the information together but nothing beats charts, graphs, or adequate reminders like "Hey, you should likely prepare for the interview you're about to have buddy" because the ones I weren't prepared for sucked hardcore and they were totally my fault.

I had the idea that it could be beneficial to freelancers/contractors as they do the same thing but usually in much more limited time scales to the x months I took. I'm one to share ideas because if someone makes it, I'll stop building it. As someone that wants to be a freelancer at some point, I don't look forward to the oDesks of the world (no offense to people that do great there) but having just something to keep all of these plates spinning more freely would help a lot of people I think.

Re: Sourcing.io

#58

Post by poseid »

w0rd-driven wrote: post #57
poseid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an interesting idea to have some kind of broker platform where you trade skills against rates. I have been exploring a small job platform idea too, and maybe anyone out there wants to chat more?

During my latest round of searching for a new gig, I realized I could use an application to at least track the opportunities I had. If you juggle a bit of interviews at once it becomes a little difficult to keep things sane if you aren't careful. Having something to help me refine my crappy interviews or take adequate notes to realize the pros and cons for future endeavors would've been a godsend. I hadn't really don…

Interesting, so you say it is also a problem to track the jobs that company offers? I totally agree that ODesks, elance, etc. are very poor to find a good match between project and interest and rate. These platforms are really about "out-"sourcing, often not about developing solutions to your unique problems.

Well, the main problem is that companies often don't know what skills they really need, and employees don't get a sense for the work culture from vague job descriptions.

Last, from what I heard was that most freelance jobs go via the personal network anyhow.

Just curious if there are others interested in discussing a better project platform for freelancers, and the way to meaningful work? Have a look at http://voki.me for a rough prototype.

Re: Sourcing.io

#59

Post by mangrish »

poseid wrote: post #50
mtrimpe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if it's universal (Dutch freelance IT); but I would loooove to have a tool that would: * broadcast my availability to a group of approved (company) recruiters * let recruiters propose companies to me (and have me list companies I already have contacts at or was introduced at.) * let me set up job interviews with the interesting opportunities * and, most importantly , let the recruiters/companies place bi…

That is an interesting idea to have some kind of broker platform where you trade skills against rates. I have been exploring a small job platform idea too, and maybe anyone out there wants to chat more?

I'm currently working on something like that. Still looking for a cofounder: www.innerloop.io
Post reply on HN