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Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#51

Post by eropple »

hollerith wrote: post #49
greenlakejake wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly, I wish Apple would just get with the times and allow an appropriate degree of freedom on their devices An appropriate degree of freedom is different for you and eight year old children or grandparents. The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers.

That's not an argument against a button in Settings that says, "I understand the risks, now unlock my device."

Yes, it is, because people will press it because it's there to press and proceed to hose their devices.

If you're not satisfied by those restrictions, use Android. (I do, because I'm not.)

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#52

Post by mikeash »

RRRA wrote: post #15

I'm still baffled as to why someone would want to buy a locked up device and be forced to use frequent / complicated measures to be somewhat freed... I understand if you didn't get a choice at first, but I people realizing they are really stuck in a jail anyway, without any jailbreaks, might do more good than having them. (Though I encourage breaking things! ;)

It's pretty simple. My preference goes:

Jailbroken iPhone > regular iPhone > Android phone

Jailbreaking is not a critical factor for me, but it's nice to have.

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#53

Post by hollerith »

eropple wrote: post #51
hollerith wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an argument against a button in Settings that says, "I understand the risks, now unlock my device."

Yes, it is, because people will press it because it's there to press and proceed to hose their devices. If you're not satisfied by those restrictions, use Android. (I do, because I'm not.)

The non-technical iOS users I know would never change a setting in Settings they do not understand (unless someone they trust, namely me, tells them to do it).

If that is not enough, the unlocking process can be as complicated as needed to discourage careless unlocking. Most people, when asked, e.g., to convert a decimal to a hexadecimal or to engage their frontal lobes in some other way, stop being careless.

Remember that the only point I'm trying to make is that it is not strictly necessary for Apple to do their best to keep motivated technical users from escaping their "jail" to prevent kids and grandmothers from harming themselves.

And does anyone actually believe that protecting naive users is the only reason Apple makes it as hard as possible to jailbreak iOS?

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#54

Post by DanBC »

greenlakejake wrote: post #43
schneidmaster wrote: post #5

This is interesting. The jailbreak community is a weird place on the edge of free software- normally, "just open source it" is an easy answer to security concerns, but there are understandable reasons not to open-source exploits. However, the whole competition thing between evad3rs and saurik seems kind of strange. Honestly, I wish Apple would just get with the times and allow an appropriate degree of freedom on thei…

> Honestly, I wish Apple would just get with the times and allow an appropriate degree of freedom on their devices An appropriate degree of freedom is different for you and eight year old children or grandparents. The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers.

> The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers.

That's not quite true.

There's a bunch of minor tweaks that many people would really like that they can only get if they jail break. Since most people are scared of jailbreaking they don't do it.

It's hard to understand how different keyboards[1] is inappropriate degree of software freedom.

[1] to pick one example of a simple, minor, tweak that many people want.

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#55

Post by zorpner »

hollerith wrote: post #49
greenlakejake wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly, I wish Apple would just get with the times and allow an appropriate degree of freedom on their devices An appropriate degree of freedom is different for you and eight year old children or grandparents. The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers.

That's not an argument against a button in Settings that says, "I understand the risks, now unlock my device."

This is always, always a bad idea, and has been so for decades: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2003/07/28/54583...

It raises support costs, and frustrates the vast majority of customers.

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#56

Post by gluxon »

saurik wrote: post #17

(This is what I said on Twitter in response.) So, yes: someone approached me with a potential jailbreak; the goal being to get a non-piracy-laden jailbreak out; this does not seem bad... ...in particular, I do not see how it is "backstabbing" @evad3rs (as some claim): it was unlikely to work, and was mostly just "having fun". Also, I am not part of @evad3rs: they made that very clear to me. They never told me anythin…

I'm confused as to why some people in the community believe a party was "backstabbed". Each team/group operated with its own intentions and goals; there's no reason why there had to be cooperation amongst them.

I feel like the reaction to this is more due to a general mistrust of Chinese software and a worship of MobileSubstrate.

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#58

Post by onedev »

DanBC wrote: post #54
greenlakejake wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly, I wish Apple would just get with the times and allow an appropriate degree of freedom on their devices An appropriate degree of freedom is different for you and eight year old children or grandparents. The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers.

> The majority of iOS users have no use for the freedom jailbreakers desire and Apple is creating software for the majority of its customers. That's not quite true. There's a bunch of minor tweaks that many people would really like that they can only get if they jail break. Since most people are scared of jailbreaking they don't do it. It's hard to understand how different keyboards[1] is inappropriate degree of soft…

Hell something even more minor than that is the ability to have 5 icons on the dock...

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#59

Post by techsupporter »

hollerith wrote: post #53
eropple wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is, because people will press it because it's there to press and proceed to hose their devices. If you're not satisfied by those restrictions, use Android. (I do, because I'm not.)

The non-technical iOS users I know would never change a setting in Settings they do not understand (unless someone they trust, namely me, tells them to do it). If that is not enough, the unlocking process can be as complicated as needed to discourage careless unlocking. Most people, when asked, e.g., to convert a decimal to a hexadecimal or to engage their frontal lobes in some other way, stop being careless. Remembe…

> The non-technical iOS users I know would never change a setting in Settings they do not understand

I wish I had your circle of non-technical folks. I've been called (from other people's phones, no less) numerous times asking why data doesn't work (they deleted all the APNs from an Android phone), why their picture messages don't go through (they changed the MMSC URL to their homepage), why voicemails stopped (they set the voicemail service number to their own number), and several more. Changeable settings are like mountains; they're messed with because they are there.

Re: Dear Jailbreak Community

#60

Post by songco »

chengyinliu wrote: post #4

I do not believe that helping a Chinese company that is related to Qihoo360, which has a very bad ethical record will in anyway benefit the Chinese users. I also don't see how is this benefiting the jailbreak community, except for the compensation they took in.

Their own app store have lots pirated apps and they have their own ad platform. e.g. One app publisher pay xM Chinese yuan for making their app to the top n in a app store.
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