This to me is the most interesting quote. Although vague, you just have to wonder how much of this spy data goes to companies? Anyone can understand that the US has an interest in maintaining the importance of their own corporations around the world.
Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
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Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#52The French bid was turned down by the President herself after major set backs in the current France-Brazil partnership building a nuclear submarine for the Brazilian Navy. Not mentioned here is the fact that old conspiracy theories surrounding the explosion that destroyed the Alcantara launch pad and killed the cream of the crop of the Brazilian space program, have recently been resurrected and it's believed plausibl…
I have to point out the VLS launcher has a seriously weird all-solid-fuel design. I am not a rocket scientist, but, as an engineer, I have to wonder what the hell those rocket scientists knew no other spacefaring country did since nobody launches satellites on all-solid-fuel rockets. They cannot be controlled after lit (the VLS used all-solid-fuel-with-oxidizer and not solid-fuel-with-liquid-oxidizer).
When you are doing something nobody else is doing it the same way you are (in special the people who have been successfully doing it for decades) it's time for you to question your own wisdom.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#53That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
This is the plane that asphyxiates it's pilots remember... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-confirms-air-supply-pr...
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen#cite_ref-FOO...
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1989/1989%20-%2...
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#54Claiming that the NSA scandal is the primary reason for the Saab win is an overly US-centric view. While there's evidence that Boeing's chances were hurt by the NSA revelations, it's not true that Boeing was a clear favourite. Both Saab and Dassault had presented strong bids and were considered serious contenders, particularly as both offered much higher industrial participation and technology sharing than Boeing and…
It might not be NSA itself, but learning that US is willing to implement backdoors in their interest is a big deal - especially in defense industry. You either have the trust or you don't.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/95282643/Backdoors-Embedded-in-DoD...
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#55That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the plane that asphyxiates it's pilots remember... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-confirms-air-supply-pr...
"Fun fact" two of the worst accidents with the Saab JAS-39 Gripen were blamed on software faults. Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen#cite_ref-FOO... http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1989/1989%20-%2...
Looking at the statistics though, the Gripen has been in very few accidents compared to other fighter jets.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#57The French bid was turned down by the President herself after major set backs in the current France-Brazil partnership building a nuclear submarine for the Brazilian Navy. Not mentioned here is the fact that old conspiracy theories surrounding the explosion that destroyed the Alcantara launch pad and killed the cream of the crop of the Brazilian space program, have recently been resurrected and it's believed plausibl…
> old conspiracy theories surrounding the explosion that destroyed the Alcantara launch pad I have to point out the VLS launcher has a seriously weird all-solid-fuel design. I am not a rocket scientist, but, as an engineer, I have to wonder what the hell those rocket scientists knew no other spacefaring country did since nobody launches satellites on all-solid-fuel rockets. They cannot be controlled after lit (the VL…
After the explosion, the Brazilian Space Agency was criticized for using solid-fuel rockets, which are easier to build and ignite than liquid-fuel rockets, but also dangerous because they lack throttle controls and emergency shut-offs.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#58Claiming that the NSA scandal is the primary reason for the Saab win is an overly US-centric view. While there's evidence that Boeing's chances were hurt by the NSA revelations, it's not true that Boeing was a clear favourite. Both Saab and Dassault had presented strong bids and were considered serious contenders, particularly as both offered much higher industrial participation and technology sharing than Boeing and…
People need to realize that companies like Boeing, GE, etc. are hardly even viewed as "American" overseas. We (Americans) like to think they are, but these companies are decidedly multinational with huge operations in many, many countries that employ thousands. They also make lots, if not the majority, of their revenue in non-US markets. Their headquarters may be in the US (not always), but they could easily migrate…
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#59Maybe Saab won because they had a better offer. And maybe Boing usually wins these deals because they have the backing of large intelligence agencies. Who knows.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#60I don't see how NSA scandal should affect this deal. You dont snap such major deals because you want to insult someone. That is childish. However if Brazil believed that US manufactures might help NSA in planting backdoors, malware into their equipment they could have simply stated it more publicly and done even greater damage to American companies. The weapon manufacturers + US government nexus has changed world pol…