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After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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What was your income after that much if I may ask? I always wondered how it compared to just getting word of mouth referrals from freelancing.

$ 23358.60 USD approx. I have made public my accounting sheet, check it out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgFzKOfWdj-jdDJ...

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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What was your income after that much if I may ask? I always wondered how it compared to just getting word of mouth referrals from freelancing.

His profile shows $17.78/hr so probably around $20-25K. Depending on variations in his rate.

My hourly salary has changed a lot since my first contracts. I started around $ 9.00 USD/hour. I plan to extend the post and explain not how I have increased my rates till my current rate, but also how I dealt with employers not willing to pay more.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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Sadly, the linked site is a classic case of 'tab closed, didn't read': http://i.imgur.com/ZsZxfP3.png I am of course referring to http://tabcloseddidntread.com/ . http://crapshaming.tumblr.com/ would fit too.

Someone should make a tumblr of HN comments about not reading submissions. It's not helpful; people are on this page to discuss the story, not why chmars didn't read it.

I couldn't read it … there was no way for me to remove the pop-up layer without being forward to another URL.

OK, technically, I could have gone all the way to access the original content. But why should I reward a website that does apparently not want to be read?

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone should make a tumblr of HN comments about not reading submissions. It's not helpful; people are on this page to discuss the story, not why chmars didn't read it.

I couldn't read it … there was no way for me to remove the pop-up layer without being forward to another URL. OK, technically, I could have gone all the way to access the original content. But why should I reward a website that does apparently not want to be read?

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Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, and this is basically what we do for devs who want to do contract work -- help find clients that pay well and don't suck. ( http://getlambda.com )

Yes. As a daily reader of HN, you guys randomly insert your advertising without adding any true value to the discussion. Is that your normal business practice? To spam but actually add no real value?

Lol at the thought that spam would actually adds value.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

#56
How can you get a software developer jobs in oDesk with so many people from India in there? Not against them, but they can do so low rates that even if I work 80h/week I still can't get a decent income. I mean below 8 USD/h. Living costs are so low in there?

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

#57

Something like this for the graph? http://jsfiddle.net/6sdH6/3/ Highcharts documentation is incomplete. In order to override the tooltip configurations for a given series you need to define the tooltip object inside it. I also added a different axis for the hours, but this results in a Highcharts bug where a time series point does not show a tooltip when there is a series defined after that one with a higher y value.

Thanks Pedro! Sometimes I see Internet is full of people willing to help. Thanks again.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

#58

I'm ashamed to admit this. I worked for someone on RentACoder back in the day. I got paid to develop software that is now used by over 20 million people. My cut for a week of work? $200. Never again... (and years later I'm still periodically asked by the owner of the company if I'm interested in new projects for the same pay rate)

I see no reason to be ashamed. If you think your skills are going to provide them a higher income, increase your rates and explain why you are doing it. I have learnt a lot from Brennan Dunn's blog: http://brennandunn.com/ I'm sure it will provide you some good insights.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #45

Sadly, the linked site is a classic case of 'tab closed, didn't read': http://i.imgur.com/ZsZxfP3.png I am of course referring to http://tabcloseddidntread.com/ . http://crapshaming.tumblr.com/ would fit too.

Someone should make a tumblr of HN comments about not reading submissions. It's not helpful; people are on this page to discuss the story, not why chmars didn't read it.

Discussions on HN are never strictly on topic. There are always lots of meta comments, and many very good comments I've read were only tangentially related to the submitted article. Instead of complaining what HN should and shouldn't be, try writing good comments, upvote good comments and downvote or ignore bad comments.

Also, if you read the article, you'll see that the author talks a lot about SEO and conversion optimisation, and chmars' comment fittingly points out how annoying it is when people go overboard with conversion optimisation.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

#60

I tried oDesk last year. There are so many people that are only willing to pay After getting through all of this, the clients left over that are even willing to pay a decent wage expect way too much. Developer, designer, and product manager for one fee. I can't tell you how many potential clients I turned down because of this. I gave this up and found a decent part-time contracting gig on craigslist. Odesk should be…

My experience was a few years back. When I was starting, I realised that getting clients with no records and rating in your profile was hard. I set to build up my profile. After filling the descriptive data, one thing that makes profiles to standout, are skill ratings. One can take online tests, and get achievements. I took various tests, and with effort got some good ratings, only to realise that some folks had managed to game the test, and got 99-100% ratings on all the most important tests. The sadness started. I resigned to never achieving competitive ratings with the cheaters. Time to move on to the next thing.

After skill ratings, the other essential thing to stand out, is to have actual work records with ratings. I deviced a plan: Get a few very short gigs, and excel at them, to quickly fill my profile with some good ratings. After reading hundreds of insane projects, including a kid that wanted a simcity clone, to offer as a free download on his website, I found one that looked good.

The guy wanted to connect an HTML form with a mysql db with a simple php script. He had all the software installed. Even had a base php script. I thought "wow so easy! I can make this in one or two hours as the worst possible scenario!! :)". So I contacted the guy. To my incredible surprise, the guy managed to sink me down in incredible ridiculous minutia discussion of what I was going to do. I spent five days and answered around 80 emails, discussing what I was going to do. I should have know better. But I kept telling me, "well, let's answer this, and the guy will just let me do the task."

Finally we agreed on doing the task. I made it in 3 hours, exactly according to the guy instructions. With the curious o desk spyware constantly taking screenshots of my desktop, and gauging my mouse movements and keypresses. After ieach screenshot, it gives you a few seconds of chance to click a button and delete it, before uploading and sending it to the client. I explained to the client, that I was including basic php security measures, as a bonus. Of which the guy had no clue. And his original form had nothing. After having the form working, I cleaned a bit the ugly graphic design, sent the stuff by mail, and went to sleep thinking "well, after all the pain, I think that the guy will be impressed by the quality of the work, and dedication answering all of his concerns." I was happy.

In the morning , I took a coffee, and went to the computer singing a tune. "Well, let's see what the guy thinks". The agreed payment was 40$. I didn't care about it, all I was thinking was on getting a good rating. To my incredible surprise, the guy answered with an angry rant, trowing all kind of threats and accusations, and claiming that I was trying to diddle him. The guy threatened me of giving a zero rating, and continuing the angry rant on my public profile, destroying my internet career forever. Unless we cancelled the deal, and acted as if nothing ever happened. Even told me that I should thank him, for not demanding an indemnization for his lost time. I was totally dumbfounded.

After some thinking, I realized that all the minutious questioning previous to the work, was a deliberated plan , to set a nest of argument traps, to later act as If he was being robbed. I was like "jesuschrist, I can't believe this. All of this tragedy just to avoid paying the pityful $40". I spent like two days lying around wanting to do nothing. Not even think. Every time that I looked at the PC, I felt like I wanted to vomit.

The cherry on the cake, was that a few months later, the guy contacted me again, offering me "a more challenging and involving project". Jesus! I can't believe the kind of people that there is out there. Finally after some time, I recovered. Went back to o desk and managed some success. After some years of working at other places, I can say that there are much better places to be.

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