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Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #14

terabytest wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X is not a good platform for gaming. It has a significantly smaller user base of which only an even more significantly smaller are gamers. Playing on a MacBook (or at least on my MacBook) is impossible, and I wouldn't buy an iMac for gaming. On the other hand, you can put Linux on anything (for free!), from your mom's 2002 pc to the latest generation hot stuff. This means there is indeed a potential, and somebody…

Why is playing on a MacBook impossible? (not a Mac user, serious question)

Intel GPUs lack performance when compared with ATI/NVIDIA.

Plus they manage to have even more buggy OpenGL support, and their drivers are well known among OpenGL developers for lying about supported features.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by yukkurishite » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:48 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #7

While this is great, its a bit sad that Valve is mostly doing all of this now, because they fear losing their dominance on windows to the native Store in Win 8.x In the end its a win-win for everyone if it works out, just their motives are questionable.

Agreed, I'm get the idea Valve doesn't actually care much about linux. For example, in their presentation highlighting some stuff about porting games from win to linux, every screenshot was made in windows

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by salient » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:49 PM UTC

dimillian wrote: post #41

terabytest wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X is not a good platform for gaming. It has a significantly smaller user base of which only an even more significantly smaller are gamers. Playing on a MacBook (or at least on my MacBook) is impossible, and I wouldn't buy an iMac for gaming. On the other hand, you can put Linux on anything (for free!), from your mom's 2002 pc to the latest generation hot stuff. This means there is indeed a potential, and somebody…

You'll be amazed on how it has changed. First, latest Macbook are kinda powerful on the GPU side, even with the integrated one, the Intel HD 5000 or Iris can run modern game at low/med settings. While it's shit for gamers who cares about graphics and performances, for any casual gamers it's sufficient. My Macbook is my work machine but also my gaming machine. The other things is about Wine, they're working on acceler…

Last I checked Mac OS also had very poor OpenGL support, from what I hear because it's Apple the one writing their own OpenGL driver and building it into the OS. Have they even caught up to OpenGL 4.0 yet? Even if they did, that's still what - 3-4 years behind the others? (4.4 is the latest)

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by dimillian » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:51 PM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #44

dimillian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll be amazed on how it has changed. First, latest Macbook are kinda powerful on the GPU side, even with the integrated one, the Intel HD 5000 or Iris can run modern game at low/med settings. While it's shit for gamers who cares about graphics and performances, for any casual gamers it's sufficient. My Macbook is my work machine but also my gaming machine. The other things is about Wine, they're working on acceler…

is this the case only with OSX-Wine or Linux-Wine as well ? I dont mind paying for professional quality wine on linux - a.k.a Crossover

From what I understand Crossover already integrated the performance improvement from the in progress Wine branch into their closed source alternative.

It's still coming soon on the main branch for Wine, but they still have a lot of works to do. But yeah once it'll be merged, both OSX Wine and Linux Wine will benefit from it. And it's a big, big performance improvement.

And if you want to try Crossover, go for it (They have a trial), so you can compare the performance.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by salient » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:53 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #7

While this is great, its a bit sad that Valve is mostly doing all of this now, because they fear losing their dominance on windows to the native Store in Win 8.x In the end its a win-win for everyone if it works out, just their motives are questionable.

He's trying to protect his business from a hostile actor - Microsoft. They are attacking others like Valve by radically changing the rules for what goes on Windows, and creating their own gateway.

So what's "questionable" about that? The move seems pretty clear cut to me - it's a defensive move against Microsoft's obvious trend for a closed garden of apps and games.

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by networked » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:54 PM UTC

If we introduced the Linus-Gates number by analogy with the Erdős-Bacon number [1] but for code, what would Gabe Newell's Linus-Gates number be today?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Bacon_numbe...

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by lobo_tuerto » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:55 PM UTC

And here it is, straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8PMUvuHK4g

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by codfrantic » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 1:59 PM UTC

easy_rider wrote: post #40

FridayWithJohn wrote: post #2

The one thing that has forced me keep Windows on my PC is the fact that most games require it. Hearing that such a large player in the gaming industry wants to move to Linux is really fantastic news.

The only thing that bugs me is that driver support is lagging behind so bad on Linux. I remember when Linus said something about why you should buy ATI for linux gaming. Because they have open source drivers.. In the end I returned my ATI card. My older Turion x64/hd3650 something laptop is still struggling with whatever flavor Linux. Still a work in progresss to get my Samsung 40" full hd TV through HDMI detected as…

Try again, I'm using my HP Minilaptop with AMD components on (X)ubuntu or Linux Mint, 32 inch samsung is detected better in Linux then it is in Windows. (automatically runs it Full HD compared to Windows' 1366x768 )

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by robin_reala » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 2:02 PM UTC

salient wrote: post #53

dimillian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll be amazed on how it has changed. First, latest Macbook are kinda powerful on the GPU side, even with the integrated one, the Intel HD 5000 or Iris can run modern game at low/med settings. While it's shit for gamers who cares about graphics and performances, for any casual gamers it's sufficient. My Macbook is my work machine but also my gaming machine. The other things is about Wine, they're working on acceler…

Last I checked Mac OS also had very poor OpenGL support, from what I hear because it's Apple the one writing their own OpenGL driver and building it into the OS. Have they even caught up to OpenGL 4.0 yet? Even if they did, that's still what - 3-4 years behind the others? (4.4 is the latest)

In short, mostly. Full 4.1 support in Mavericks: http://rk.md/2013/opengl-osx-mountain-lion-vs-mavericks/

Re: Valve joins the Linux Foundation

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Post by dysoco » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 2:03 PM UTC

networked wrote: post #56

If we introduced the Linus-Gates number by analogy with the Erdős-Bacon number [1] but for code, what would Gabe Newell's Linus-Gates number be today? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Bacon_numbe...

Did Gabe and Gates write any substantial code? At least lately? I don't think we could relate them.