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Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by danbee »

mortenjorck wrote: post #38
publicfig wrote: post #5

I'm a bit curious why both the 24" and the 32" are priced over 1k, yet they are able to get the 28" down below that mark. That's not to say that I'm not incredibly excited to see how this ends up! I've been looking for a sub-1.5k 28" monitor with high resolution for a while, and though I love my Apple Thunderbolt Display I use at work, I am hesitant that if I buy one for myself, I'll be buying right before a refresh.…

Unfortunately, the 28” is going to have the wrong pixel density to use with OS X in Retina mode. Non-Retina MacBooks start at 110 PPI. Cinema Displays have hovered around 100 PPI for about a decade, with the 27” Thunderbolt Display topping out at 109 PPI (same for its sister 27” iMac). At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which, dividing by two to get the equivalent non-Retina PPI, comes to only 78.5, a redu…

I expect there will be scaled modes like there are with the Retina MacBook Pro's. So you'll be able to use a desktop that's effectively 2560x1440 pixels like the 27" Cinema display.

It's going to be pretty heavy on GPU's mind. The rMBP's do it by rendering a 2x density frame and scaling it down for the display. This means the GPU will have to render a 5120x2880 pixel frame and scale it down to 3840 x 2160.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by seiji »

clord wrote: post #43
seiji wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

I like my 30", and wish for more (4 side-by-side windows!). I suspect people who don't like big monitors tend to make their windows fullscreen instead of keeping them content-sized. If you think in windows instead of maximized screens, 50" is superior to 54" split in two. It comes down to the artificial split down the middle which limits where you can stick your windows.

The artificial split limit is a benefit for me. Helps self organize things. Watch a movie on the left screen, web browse on the right screen. Keynote in the left screen, reference materials in the right screen, etc.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by quaint- »

RyanZAG wrote: post #41
alexgaribay wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Apple's website, the latest version of the rMBP will be able to drive a 3840 x 2160 display at 30Hz via HDMI.

30Hz sounds like a 'No' to me.

Why? It's not like you're going to play graphically intensive games with it. 30Hz sounds just fine for many types of content, like text (and even videos).

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by HNaTTY »

seiji wrote: post #33
bhauer wrote: post #9

Awesome. I say this is a sign that the incumbent manufacturers are finally adapting to the heat brought on by Korean and Chinese newcomers. "Industry's most affordable Ultra HD monitor" is semantics. The Seiki 39" is still substantially cheaper, now at less than $500 on Amazon. Technically, that is a television, so I suppose "monitor" is a clever use of words by Dell. If Seiki drops an HDMI 2 version of their monitor…

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

I own the 50" Seiki and I use it as a desktop monitor. I need to modify my desk so I can move it further back but I'm getting used to the size.

The lag due to 30hZ is a big drawback, my mousing accuracy is noticeably lower, but I can live with that.

What I cannot live with is the fact that the monitor goes blank and then re-detects the HDMI signal all the time -- perhaps 25 times in the first few minutes and then once every 5-15 minutes afterwards. I'm using the HDMI port on my Intel Haswell board and have updated drivers and the Seiki firmware, and still get this issue. Seiki support is bad, and lots of people have this issue. They specifically released a firmware update that is supposed to resolve this but it doesn't help me. Perhaps another brand of graphics card would help but currently it's broken.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by quaint- »

alexgaribay wrote: post #47
easymovet wrote: post #25

I'm underwhelmed, the Lenovo yoga 2 has almost as many pixels and cost less.

It's much cheaper to produce smaller displays than larger ones. There's a higher chance for defects as display size goes up.

It should be offset to an extent by the larger cell (or pixel) size. The only reason it's "not", is that manufacturers have invested huge sums of money on production lines incapable of producing larger products while at the same time complaining that their ancient subpar desktop offerings don't sell well.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by bhauer »

seiji wrote: post #33
bhauer wrote: post #9

Awesome. I say this is a sign that the incumbent manufacturers are finally adapting to the heat brought on by Korean and Chinese newcomers. "Industry's most affordable Ultra HD monitor" is semantics. The Seiki 39" is still substantially cheaper, now at less than $500 on Amazon. Technically, that is a television, so I suppose "monitor" is a clever use of words by Dell. If Seiki drops an HDMI 2 version of their monitor…

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

Like jfb says, different strokes. I use multiple 30" monitors on my two workstations and I would prefer a single 50" display. My wife's Seiki has more raw pixels than two of my 30" monitors. I admit that an ideal 50" display would be OLED and concave, but I'll keep those off my wish-list for the time being. I don't want the manufacturers to think I'm being unreasonable. High-DPI and large form-factor seem reasonable for 2014.

I don't like the bezels between monitors in a multi-monitor configuration. I don't like the low-DPI of my 30" monitors. And I certainly don't like the price of the Dell U3011.

When you say you know people who can't handle a 30" monitor, do you mean that? They would refuse to use a 30" even if they were given one? I've only met a few people who are of that particular disposition, and I personally consider them odd. It's a weird self-flagellation or quasi-Luddism.

In my experience, most people don't deal with 30" monitors because they have been effectively fixed at over $1,100 for the past 8 years, only recently being disrupted by the Koreans and Chinese. From that perspective, where a small 1080 monitor can be had for a couple hundred bucks, it required a special type of enthusiast to pay the steep premium for 30" displays. But it looks that we're finally getting some changes in desktop displays, and I consider this positive progress toward what I would consider an ideal. To reiterate what I've said elsewhere, I want desktop computing to use nearly-immersive display technology, and I think this is more realistic in the mid-term than VR goggles.

But to be absolutely clear, I consider 30" too small for desktop computing today.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by cmelbye »

crazygringo wrote: post #42

Does anyone know, are there any Macs that can drive this in Retina mode? Does OSX on Mac desktops support retina mode for arbitrary monitors, or does OSX tie Retina mode exclusively to Macbook Pro Retina screens?

I believe it supports it for arbitrary monitors. I was able to do it on my rMBP, at least. You may have to use a third party utility like SwitchResX.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by wmf »

seiji wrote: post #52
clord wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like my 30", and wish for more (4 side-by-side windows!). I suspect people who don't like big monitors tend to make their windows fullscreen instead of keeping them content-sized. If you think in windows instead of maximized screens, 50" is superior to 54" split in two. It comes down to the artificial split down the middle which limits where you can stick your windows.

The artificial split limit is a benefit for me. Helps self organize things. Watch a movie on the left screen, web browse on the right screen. Keynote in the left screen, reference materials in the right screen, etc.

I find that a single big monitor with a tiling window manager gives the same benefit but is more flexible.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by bhauer »

HNaTTY wrote: post #54
seiji wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

I own the 50" Seiki and I use it as a desktop monitor. I need to modify my desk so I can move it further back but I'm getting used to the size. The lag due to 30hZ is a big drawback, my mousing accuracy is noticeably lower, but I can live with that. What I cannot live with is the fact that the monitor goes blank and then re-detects the HDMI signal all the time -- perhaps 25 times in the first few minutes and then onc…

The HDMI re-detection flaw happens on my wife's 39" Seiki on HDMI 1 and 3 as well. But using the HDMI 2 input, that does not happen. If you haven't already done so, try using the other two HDMI inputs to see if the problem goes away.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by RKearney »

crazygringo wrote: post #42

Does anyone know, are there any Macs that can drive this in Retina mode? Does OSX on Mac desktops support retina mode for arbitrary monitors, or does OSX tie Retina mode exclusively to Macbook Pro Retina screens?

My 27" iMac can run in 1280x720 "HiDPI Mode", which is just the native resolution of 2560x1440 cut in half (quarters?). It's a native feature in OS X, although it has to be enabled manually before it shows up.
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